# Movies where Evil Wins **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 29, 2000, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824 "2000-10-29T17:39:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ura-Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Ura-Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ura-Maru)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/21 "2000-10-29T20:59:24Z")
_Evil Dead._ (Yeah, Ash comes back, but as of the first one, he died at the end) _Vision of Escaflowne._ The heroes survive, but the bad guy acheves everything he set out to do, and more . . . If you count Genzo as the villan in _Neon Genesis Evangilon_ (Which wouldn’t be a bad idea) he pretty much wins that one, too. _Manos, the Hands of Fate._ (“I am Micheal. I look after the place while The Master is away.”) And _Touch of Satan,_, now that I think of it. _IF_ you want to call those movies, and not some kind of fungus or tapeworm. At the end of _Merlin’s shop of Mystical Wonders,_ Merlin escapes to wreak terror on 80’s America once again. Could say the same about _Michell_, but for some reason, the makers of both movies seemed to think that their characters were good guys, so I’m not sure they count. And of course, not all movies have heroes and villians . . . loads of 40s movies, HK action or crime movies, and samurai movies have either questionable “heroes” win, or pyhric victories for one side or another . . . It looks like those are finally showing up in holywood movies again, thankfully . . . – “Belive in magic . . . Or I’ll KILL you!” ---
**Author:** ![Ura-Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Ura-Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ura-Maru)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/22 "2000-10-29T21:01:55Z")
By the way . . . someone else saw _Stone Cold_? Maybe we should form some kind of support group . . . – “Imagine the future . . . 'cause you’re not in it.” ---
**Author:** ![SkinnyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@SkinnyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkinnyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/23 "2000-10-29T22:00:18Z")
**Servants of Twilight** , after a story by Dean Koontz. A private detective’s hired to protect a boy from some religious cult. The cult members believe the boy’s the antichrist and want to kill him. (If you really want it spoilt, read the plot at [IMDB.com](http://IMDB.com).) ---
**Author:** ![Ura-Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Ura-Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ura-Maru)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/24 "2000-10-29T22:14:13Z")
Oh, and I forgot, (or possibly blocked out) _In the Mouth of Madness_, which made _Stone Cold_ look like finely crafted cinema, but did have the bad guys win. – “IT’S MADNESS! MADNESS!” ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/25 "2000-10-29T22:41:52Z")
Well, in _The Ninth Gate_, everyone is evil, so no matter what, evil was going to win. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2000, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/26 "2000-10-29T23:36:50Z")
Invasion of the Body Snatchers, both versions. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2000, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/27 "2000-10-30T04:06:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ura-Maru \* > **If you count Genzo as the villan in _Neon Genesis Evangilon_ (Which wouldn’t be a bad idea) he pretty much wins that one, too.** I wouldn’t call Gendo the villain, though he’s as likely as candidate as anyone. For there to be a villain, there needs to be a real hero, and I really don’t think there is, in NGE. The pilots are pawns, and all the real movers are equally corrupt, but also they all have their own noble reasons for what they do. ---
**Author:** ![cornflakes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9d8465/32.png) [@cornflakes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cornflakes)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2000, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/28 "2000-10-30T04:23:01Z")
_How to Get Ahead in Advertising_ ---
**Author:** ![OrcaChow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e47c2d/32.png) [@OrcaChow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OrcaChow)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2000, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/29 "2000-10-30T04:41:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Icerigger \* > \*\*Invasion of the Body Snatchers, both versions. \*\* I’ve heard that the original version _initially_ closed with Kevin McCarthy shouting in vain to the traffic. But this ending bothered early audiences so much that they pulled the movie long enough to tack on an additional scene. In the version that persisted for decades, as the cops are hauling McCarthy away to the loony bin they hear a report that confirms his story. They call the Pentagon and the movie implies that they’ve caught the invasion in time. ---
**Author:** ![delphica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9a140/32.png) [@delphica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/delphica)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2000, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/30 "2000-10-30T05:48:09Z")
In Time Bandits, Evil (quite literally) gets the last laugh. ---
**Author:** ![drewcosten](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@drewcosten](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewcosten)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2000, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/31 "2000-10-30T06:26:48Z")
In the new Blair Witch 2: Book of Shadows (a pretty trippy movie if you ask me) evil wins in a manner of speaking. I don’t want to give anything away though since it just came out a couple days ago. ---
**Author:** ![Gozu\_Tashoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@Gozu\_Tashoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu_Tashoya)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2000, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/32 "2000-10-30T07:45:48Z")
Rosemary’s Baby. And The Blair Witch Project - evil all around, that movie was… Also, Tetsuo the Iron Man. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2000, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/33 "2000-10-30T10:13:56Z")
‘Beavis and Butt-Head do America’ ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2000, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/34 "2000-10-30T18:40:15Z")
The ending of _Miracle Mile_ can’t be called a victory. The end of John Carpenter’s _The Thing_ is pretty ambiguous, but you’ve got to think the alien isn’t down and out. _Das Boot._ _Talk Radio._ _The Great Escape_ (sort of). _Bulworth._ (Hmm, has anyone done a thread where we nominate movies that **should** have had a downer ending? Where the movie obviously chickened out, and a good-guy-loses ending would have been **more** satisfying?) ---
**Author:** ![c\_goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@c\_goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/c_goat)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2000, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/35 "2000-10-30T19:02:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cervaise \* > \*\*(Hmm, has anyone done a thread where we nominate movies that should have had a downer ending? Where the movie obviously chickened out, and a good-guy-loses ending would have been more satisfying?) \*\* I would say “The Jackal” with Bruce Willis should have had the bad guy win. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2000, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/36 "2000-10-30T19:09:49Z")
Brazil ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2000, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/37 "2000-10-30T19:11:18Z")
The Stepford Wives ---
**Author:** ![Poysyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Poysyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poysyn)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2000, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/38 "2000-10-30T19:14:21Z")
Swimming With Sharks ---
**Author:** ![zwaldd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a9adbd/32.png) [@zwaldd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zwaldd)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2000, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/39 "2000-10-30T19:44:00Z")
E.T. the Extra Terrestrial ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2000, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-evil-wins/38824/40 "2000-10-30T20:02:30Z")
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