# movies where the bad guy wins

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guy-wins/142471>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [December 13, 2002, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guy-wins/142471 "2002-12-13T08:43:43Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 6\
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**Author:** ![August](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@August](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2003, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guy-wins/142471/121 "2003-01-27T04:05:13Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Telemark \*  
> \*\*Actually, **The Usual Suspects** is mentioned in the OP. \*\*

But after three pages I can’t remember all of the movies mentioned… :o

And another: The Player

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**Author:** ![sweepkick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@sweepkick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sweepkick)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2003, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guy-wins/142471/122 "2003-01-27T04:42:04Z")

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Unbreakable.

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**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2003, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guy-wins/142471/123 "2003-01-27T07:02:06Z")

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I can’t believe no one mentioned the The Usual Suspects twice.

I’m not sure about Memento.

No one wins, certainly, and the main character is forever trapped in his delusional world, but he’s not exactly BAD per se: he just doesn’t know that he’s the one manipulating himself to keep his disjointed sense of purpose alive. The guys he kills at the beggining/end were using him to do nasty, greedy, dirty deeds, and were murderous drug dealers, so neither was exactly a good guy, and Leonard would never have killed either unless he was tricked into it. Of course that raises some pretty deep questions: in a person that disjointed, can the Leonard we see throughout the movie really be a guilty bad guy just because he does one reckless thing at the end which leads to murder?

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**Author:** ![SnugTheJoiner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@SnugTheJoiner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnugTheJoiner)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2003, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guy-wins/142471/124 "2003-01-27T07:10:11Z")

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How about ANY screen verison of Strinberg’s MISS JULIE? Assuming that you can find ANY good guys?

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**Author:** ![SnugTheJoiner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@SnugTheJoiner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnugTheJoiner)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2003, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guy-wins/142471/125 "2003-01-27T07:13:10Z")

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Oopers! For “Strinberg” please read “Strindberg!”

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**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2003, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guy-wins/142471/126 "2003-01-27T07:14:08Z")

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_The War of the Roses_ ends in a tie.

_One night at McCool’s_ featured Liv Tyler as a rather feckless manipulative woman who:

Runs off and presumably lives happily ever after with the man who was hired to kill her.

Of course, she saves Matt Dillon’s life twice, so she isn’t _all_ bad.

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