# Movies where the bad guys win... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 7, 2003, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418 "2003-02-07T07:52:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![II\_Gyan\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/bbe5ce/32.png) [@II\_Gyan\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/II_Gyan_II)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/1 "2003-02-07T07:52:03Z")
Now, before anyone points me to existing threads, I should define **bad guys**. Bad Guys == The antagonists. Taking _Ocean’s Eleven_ as an example. The antagonists here are Andy Garcia or anyone who oppose the lead characters. Irrespective of who the bad guys are, in moral terms. So, _Usual Suspects_ doesn’t count either. Any movies where the **bad guys** win ? ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/2 "2003-02-07T08:05:55Z")
Uh… _Twelve Monkeys_, maybe… although it’s hard to tell exactly who the bad guys are. I think there was a thread about this a while back. And probaly one before that, too. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![DataZak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ea666f/32.png) [@DataZak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DataZak)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/3 "2003-02-07T08:37:58Z")
How about the Romans in **Monty Python’s Life of Brian**? ---
**Author:** ![Skip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@Skip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skip)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/4 "2003-02-07T08:51:43Z")
Arlington Rd ---
**Author:** ![Philosophocles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b38774/32.png) [@Philosophocles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philosophocles)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/5 "2003-02-07T09:09:40Z")
The Bad News Bears, the Yankees won. ---
**Author:** ![butter\_pie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aca169/32.png) [@butter\_pie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/butter_pie)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/6 "2003-02-07T11:48:01Z")
There is some French movie, whose name escapes me, but it is the movie to which _Manon of the Spring_ (?) was the sequel, ends with the ‘bad guys’ winning. It is about a farmer guy that goes out to the country to raise rabbits, and these other men that are near his property clog up his well with cement so that his rabbits all die and they end up having to leave or something, and the movie ends with the bad guys laughing at the well - or something like that. It’s been a long time since I saw it. The sequel is about the daughter of the man getting revenge on the town for ruining her father’s farm. Then again, maybe French movies shouldn’t count. ---
**Author:** ![GSV\_Consolation\_of\_Dreams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f1d935/32.png) [@GSV\_Consolation\_of\_Dreams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GSV_Consolation_of_Dreams)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/7 "2003-02-07T11:54:28Z")
The Parallax View (sp?) ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/8 "2003-02-07T13:22:54Z")
The Empire Strikes Back. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/9 "2003-02-07T13:27:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jinwicked \* > \*\*There is some French movie, whose name escapes me, but it is the movie to which _Manon of the Spring_ (?) was the sequel… \*\* I think you mean _Jean de Florette_. ---
**Author:** ![AchimbaProphet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2bfe46/32.png) [@AchimbaProphet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AchimbaProphet)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/10 "2003-02-07T15:58:13Z")
Closet Land ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/11 "2003-02-07T16:07:06Z")
Dances with Wolves. ---
**Author:** ![soulmurk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@soulmurk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soulmurk)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/12 "2003-02-07T17:21:54Z")
Seven. That Kevin Spacey’s character got his way in the end endeared that movie to me that much more. I suppose it could be argued that he didn’t “win”, what with being killed and all, but that was the intended conclusion to his plan all along, and it was successfully executed (no pun intended). That’s a mark in the W column as far as I’m concerned. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/13 "2003-02-07T17:24:01Z")
Blood in Blood out. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/14 "2003-02-07T17:24:33Z")
Fallen Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Peach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/67e7ee/32.png) [@Peach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peach)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/15 "2003-02-07T17:27:32Z")
Resident Evil - mission failed!! ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/16 "2003-02-07T17:29:35Z")
Fellowship of the Ring. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/17 "2003-02-07T17:36:32Z")
Nah, FOTR was a draw, at best. The Uruk Hai failed to capture the ring. LOTR, as a whole, was a pyrrhic victory for the good guys. I enter Attack of The Clones. A nearly flawless victory for Palpatine/Sidious (who wanted to start the war, not win it for the Rebels). ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/18 "2003-02-07T17:41:37Z")
Bad Guys =! Antogonist Clearly The antogonist (Kuljan) in the Usual Suspects doesn’t win, but I would claim the bad guy (Spacey) did win. ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/19 "2003-02-07T17:42:59Z")
Dawn of the Dead. The dead got the mall back! ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/20 "2003-02-07T17:52:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Menocchio \* > **Nah, FOTR was a draw, at best. The Uruk Hai failed to capture the ring.** 😕 At the point where the movie ends: 1. Gandalf is gone. 2. The Fellowship is broken. 3. Frodo and Sam are on their own, trying to find someplace without a map. 4. Boromir, one of the toughest warriors around, is dead. 5. Merry & Pippin have gotten themselves kidnapped, prompting three of the other toughest fighters around to go jogging in a westerly direction, rather than meeting up with Frodo & Sam and helping them out. 6. Saruman has built his mondo army (it doesn’t really show up until the next movie, but that’s just a few days in the future… 7. Aragorn: Still not king yet. The forces of evil have: 1. Lost a bunch of Uruk-Hai. 2. … Draw? I think not. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418.md?page=2)