# Movies where the bad guys win... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 7, 2003, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418 "2003-02-07T07:52:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Elvis_Rojo)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/21 "2003-02-07T18:17:08Z")
**Way of the Gun**. Sure, the protagonist’s are assholes, but in the end (spoiler if my spoiler box doesn’t wor) [SPOILERS]They get shot up pretty bad, left for dead in a Mexican whore house where the possibility of medical attention is INCREDIBLY unlikely, and the gangsters take the money.[/SPOILERS] ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/22 "2003-02-07T18:46:58Z")
Would _Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid_ fall into this category? ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/23 "2003-02-07T18:57:58Z")
Yeah, Sauron, that’s a good example. Speaking of Sauron, he’s put ina draw in FOTR. Why? He fails to achieve his objective. He still doesn’t have the ring. Yeah, he’s in slightly better shape than the heroes, but Sam and Frodo are drawing ever closer to Mt. Doom. Sauron got more hits, but not enough runs, as it were. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/24 "2003-02-07T18:59:04Z")
In addition to \*Dawn of the Dead[/n], you can include _Night of the Living Dead_ and _Day of the Dead_. _Phantasm_ _Count Yorga, Vampire_ and _The Return of Count Yorga_ _The Evil Dead_ _In the Mouth of Madness_ And depending on your point of view, _Chicago_, while our sympathies are with the two leads, the fact remains that they are cold-hearted, self-centered murderers, (albeit with legs that go all the way up). ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/25 "2003-02-07T19:00:31Z")
Oh, and depending on you who say is the antagonist, Pulp Fiction. ---
**Author:** ![II\_Gyan\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/bbe5ce/32.png) [@II\_Gyan\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/II_Gyan_II)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/26 "2003-02-07T20:32:55Z")
Some decent suggestions so far… Although LOTR and SW trilogy don’t count. Why ? LOTR is one book and thus one movie broken up in 3. Once SW became a success, it was known (?) it was going to be a trilogy. In other words, audiences presumably knew while watching TESB that Return of… was expected. I’m talking about movies that where the audience has no reasonable expectation that the ending in the current movie is only temporary till the second movie starts. Irrespective of whether a second movie does show up 2 years later. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f8ce5/32.png) [@The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Peyote_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/27 "2003-02-07T21:14:32Z")
I would suggest No Way Out because the Soviet mole gets away scot-free. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/28 "2003-02-07T21:37:37Z")
Rocky 😃 ---
**Author:** ![I\_can\_t\_believe\_that\_s\_butter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@I\_can\_t\_believe\_that\_s\_butter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_can_t_believe_that_s_butter)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/29 "2003-02-07T22:26:52Z")
Kingpin. Ernie McCracken wins the ABC tournament (don’t get me started on all of the technical errors this movie had). ---
**Author:** ![Gozu\_Tashoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@Gozu\_Tashoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu_Tashoya)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/30 "2003-02-07T23:18:31Z")
The Ring. ---
**Author:** ![II\_Gyan\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/bbe5ce/32.png) [@II\_Gyan\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/II_Gyan_II)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/31 "2003-02-07T23:47:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KKBattousai \* > \*\*The Ring. \*\* Are you referring to the English version Then, I would say no because … although the ghost isn’t “killed”, the reporter and son do get away ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/32 "2003-02-08T00:22:58Z")
_The Vanishing_, IIRC. At least in the original version. Also, the German film _Funny Games_. Boy oh boy, do the bad guys win… ---
**Author:** ![Scupper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Scupper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scupper)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/33 "2003-02-08T00:27:11Z")
_Angel Heart_ _Leon (the Professional)_ - Not exactly, but it isn’t a happy ending for anybody. _The Comfort of Strangers_ - Don’t **ever** watch this movie. _Thelma and Louise_ - Well they certainly don’t _win._ _Glory_ _Sunset Boulevard_ - Vaguely ---
**Author:** ![The\_Calculus\_of\_Logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@The\_Calculus\_of\_Logic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Calculus_of_Logic)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/34 "2003-02-08T01:53:02Z")
reservior dogs. menace II society Probably anything involving jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Never\_to\_be\_Queen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Never\_to\_be\_Queen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Never_to_be_Queen)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/35 "2003-02-08T03:09:01Z")
\Chinatown\ ---
**Author:** ![Moe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moe/32/2972_2.png) [@Moe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moe)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/36 "2003-02-08T03:29:46Z")
Titanic (i.e. If the antagonist could be an iceberg). Carlitos Way A League of their Own (Depending on who is defined as the antagonist). Goodfellas (Henry Hill got busted and put into the witness protection plan - sounds like a defeat to me). ---
**Author:** ![Hometownboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/5e9695/32.png) [@Hometownboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hometownboy)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/37 "2003-02-08T03:54:32Z")
**The Alamo** John Wayne may go down swinging, but he goes down. **On The Beach** Everybody loses ---
**Author:** ![jaimeshawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/0ea827/32.png) [@jaimeshawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaimeshawn)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/38 "2003-02-08T04:22:32Z")
**Brazil** as they drill a hole through the hero’s head in the end… although you could look at it as everybody got what they wanted. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/39 "2003-02-08T06:34:28Z")
Das Boot ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-where-the-bad-guys-win/153418/40 "2003-02-08T06:43:03Z")
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