# Movies whose reputation \*wrongly\* decayed over time **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 1, 2015, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120 "2015-10-01T08:40:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Oedipus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Oedipus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oedipus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/21 "2015-10-01T15:35:55Z")
I really REALLY REALLY don’t understand why it’s suddenly cool to hate Forrest Gump, Titanic, and Juno. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/22 "2015-10-01T15:50:44Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > _Independence Day_. When the movie came out, it was _huge_ - I remember long lines outside the theaters to see it, people giving standing ovations and cheering during the show, etc. The CGI was a giant leap forward, and it had that feel-good rah-rah patriotism thing going for it. I think its reputation has been harmed largely due to the fact that Roland Emmerich has spent the 20 years since then rehashing the exact same formula over and over again. Believe it or not, but there is very little CGI in Independence Day. The majority of the effects are practical (including all of the city destruction). Give it another 20 years and people will come back around to loving it for all the things it did right that movies don’t do anymore (unless the sequels blow, then all bets are off). ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/23 "2015-10-01T15:52:00Z")
> [@Oedipus](#): > > I really REALLY REALLY don’t understand why it’s suddenly cool to hate Forrest Gump, Titanic, and Juno. If it makes you feel any better, I’ve _always_ hated Titanic. ---
**Author:** ![Les\_Espaces\_Du\_Sommeil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/les_espaces_du_sommeil/32/308_2.png) [@Les\_Espaces\_Du\_Sommeil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Les_Espaces_Du_Sommeil)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/24 "2015-10-01T15:57:24Z")
Add me to the list of people who still like _Return of the Jedi_ and not just for the nostalgia. The first act in Jabba’s Palace is one of the most memorable in the whole trilogy, the parallel battle scenes (space/Edor) are perfectly entertaining and stop trying to show how hip you are 'cause you hate the Ewoks. I loved it at the time (age 8) and still enjoy it now. Actually, I like it more than _A New Hope_ which I found a bit slow last time I watched it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/25 "2015-10-01T16:04:23Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Actually, the dialogue and fashion were utterly Beverly Hills/Newport Beach current. A RNATB noted, the film was about rich girls. Yes, I’m aware of that. But scriptwriters realized it would be virtually impossible to try to capture the actual slang currently being used by high school girls in 1995. Even if they could somehow find it in the first place, it would change in the time between when the script was written and the film was released. So they didn’t make the effort. They just invented slang for the characters to use. And rich girls like Cher and Dionne would have been wearing designer fashions. But _Clueless_ had a relatively modest budget. The costume department couldn’t afford to buy all those designer outfits. So the wardrobe people just bought clothes at a local mall and wrote it into the movie that the characters wore bargain clothes because it was their style. So the dialogue and fashion weren’t Beverly Hills current when the movie was made. They were Beverly Hills current a year later when high school girls were all talking and dressing the way they had seen on _Clueless_. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/26 "2015-10-01T16:10:09Z")
> [@Oedipus](#): > > I really REALLY REALLY don’t understand why it’s suddenly cool to hate Forrest Gump, Titanic, and Juno. Titanic had backlash from the start but it was the same as Avatar – super popular movies have vocal critics who can’t figure out why it’s super popular. Forrest Gump is a good one. Seemed to drop from beloved to “treacly shit” in a heartbeat but I think it’s still a good movie. Juno, I was unaware is now hated. guess people got tired of the too-cool-fast-talking schtick. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/27 "2015-10-01T16:24:11Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Titanic had backlash from the start but it was the same as Avatar – super popular movies have vocal critics who can’t figure out why it’s super popular. > > Forrest Gump is a good one. Seemed to drop from beloved to “treacly shit” in a heartbeat but I think it’s still a good movie. Juno, I was unaware is now hated. guess people got tired of the too-cool-fast-talking schtick. Part of the backlash against Titanic was that it (ridiculously) won the Academy Award. Not that it wasnt an entertaining film, it wasnt the best film of the year. ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/28 "2015-10-01T16:57:57Z")
**Breaking Away** and **Reds** were monstrously popular when they came out, but sank without a trace. It’s been decades since they were on TV or cable, compared to **Kramer vs Kramer** and **Apocalypse Now!** , which came out around the same time. I wouldn’t say the former two were hated or critically derided, just curiously forgotten. **Titan A.E.** had an awful lot going for it and the handful of people who actually saw it loved it. But Pixar animation made a huge splash right before, and hand-drawn animation was swirling in the bowl and this was the first major casualty. It was like making a really good silent movie and releasing it right after talkies became a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/29 "2015-10-01T17:06:23Z")
True about _Titan A.E._ I liked it, but the timing was just off. Either that, or Don Bluth has a curse on him; the guy can’t win for losing. _Titanic,_ on the other hand, I could take or leave. It was certainly entertaining, but once was enough. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/30 "2015-10-01T17:07:51Z")
Titan AE was fantastic, but it never really had a reputation, did it? ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/31 "2015-10-01T17:10:36Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Titan AE was fantastic, but it never really had a reputation, did it? We throw it on and watch it with pleasure a couple of times a year. Yes, it has flaws. But it has enough freshness and flashes of brilliance to sustain it. Add me to the list that never liked _Forrest Gump_. Or _E.T._, for that matter, but that movie’s stock just keeps rising, for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/32 "2015-10-01T17:19:56Z")
> [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > _Titanic,_ on the other hand, I could take or leave. It was certainly entertaining, but once was enough. Titanic never appealed to me, but then I’ve never been one for love stories. What shocked me, however, was when I went to the Titanic exhibit in Vegas, which is filled with artifacts recovered from the wreck, personal effects of the deceased, actual chunks of the ship itself - and yet it _still_ panders to fans of the film - there’s DVDs on sale in the gift shop, they’ve got a quote from Jack Sawyer in giant font on the wall in one room, and there’s even a green screen where you can pose for an “I’m the king of the world!” photo. Seemed kind of crass to me to have that kind of stuff in a place which is practically a memorial to one of the greatest man-made catastrophes in history. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/33 "2015-10-01T17:20:30Z")
It seems hip to think Star Trek TNG sucks now. Not for me. It is my favorite and Picard is one of my favorite characters. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/34 "2015-10-01T17:21:18Z")
Me too. I liked TOS when I was a wee lad, but as a grown-up it seems decidedly simplistic. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/35 "2015-10-01T17:23:58Z")
Both shows are products of their time, though to me it feels like TNG has not aged as gracefully as TOS. (Maybe if TNG gets remastered at some point and they fix the embarrassingly bad green screens and matte backdrops, my opinion will change.) ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/36 "2015-10-01T17:29:11Z")
TNG was fantastic for its time… and succeeded in making TOS look kind of dated. But both shows had great stories to tell, and great characters to tell them WITH, and quite a mythology to work with. The future never holds up all that well, over time. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/37 "2015-10-01T17:31:22Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Seemed kind of crass to me to have that kind of stuff in a place which is practically a memorial to one of the greatest man-made catastrophes in history. You did say “in Las Vegas,” right? Crass is pretty much what that town does, I’m told. ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_The\_Head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/38 "2015-10-01T17:34:36Z")
> [@Les\_Espaces\_Du\_Sommeil](#): > > 'cause you hate the Ewoks. I’ve never understood the Ewok hate. Yeah, they look cute and cuddly, but they are some viscous things. Kinda like koalas. I can’t see how they were made to sell stuff, no more then Boba Fett was and I think he’s far more boring. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/39 "2015-10-01T17:37:19Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You did say “in Las Vegas,” right? Crass is pretty much what that town does, I’m told. I should have seen that coming. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120/40 "2015-10-01T17:38:25Z")
Meh. Some people are never satisfied. The original SW trilogy was insanely popular, and caused mass merchandising. So, naturally, it became fashionable for some folks to hate it. Everyone I know, even your non-SF people, who saw the movie liked the ewoks well enough. …at least until you consider that the word “ewok” is not used in the movie… but for some reason, we all knew what they were called… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-whose-reputation-wrongly-decayed-over-time/733120.md?page=3)