# Movies you'd like to see (or even make)

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**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [March 3, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649 "2012-03-03T16:54:16Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/41 "2012-03-05T17:57:18Z")

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I would like to make a proper **Super Mario Bros.** movie, or TV series. Animated.

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/42 "2012-03-05T18:23:20Z")

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> [@Paintcharge](#):
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> I’d love to see “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress,” but they’d probably screw it up and make it a about explosions.
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Fantastic book, but would make a terrible movie, too much talking and exposition. Many great books would not convert well into film. Glory Road would make a great film, as would Tunnel in the Sky.

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**Author:** ![Mrs.Cake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2acd7d/32.png) [@Mrs.Cake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrs.Cake)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/43 "2012-03-05T18:31:21Z")

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I’d love to see a good biopic of Colonel Tom Blood, although I would really have wanted George MacDonald Fraser to write the screenplay. I’d love to see what he would have written for the scene between Blood and Charles II after the incident with the crown jewels.

I’d also like to see someone do a real bronze-age-correct movie about the Trojan war.

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**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/44 "2012-03-05T18:36:42Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> Fantastic book, but would make a terrible movie, too much talking and exposition. Many great books would not convert well into film. Glory Road would make a great film, as would Tunnel in the Sky.

I frequently see this sort of accusation, but it doesn’t necesssarily hold. Nobody _requires_ you to translate sl og Heinlein’s poitical discussions onto the screen. There’s plenty of action and physical activity to carry a film, and extensive discussions aren’t essential to the plot. I think it’d make a _great_ film, properly handled.  
I’m especially interested because I’d like for someone to properly portray lunar low gravity indoors, for once. The indoor scenes of **Moon** and **Moon Zero Two** and **First Men in the Moon** and **Space: 1999** and even the highly-regarded **2001** depicted standard earth gravity.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/45 "2012-03-05T18:56:57Z")

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> [@CalMeacham](#):
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> It’s amazing how you repeated what I said.

I feel that you’re implying Coon probably read Brown’s story and took the idea from it. I was saying that I feel it’s believable that Coon came up with the idea independently without having been aware of Brown’s story beforehand.

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**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/46 "2012-03-05T19:17:17Z")

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You need to read more carefully – I implied that he started writing the story first, then learned of it through the legal department. How could this possibly be any clearer:

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> The story I’ve heard is that Gene L. Coon started writing the story, then the similarity to Brown’s story was noticed, …

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**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/47 "2012-03-05T19:45:01Z")

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I’d love to see a really good biblical-historical epic about Saul and David as told in II Samuel. Seriously, what a freaking awesome movie! It’s got it all! Love, betrayal, war (insurgency!), it’s got a _witch_! It’s one of the few Bible stories that really hangs together as a good story, revisiting characters and such.

The TV show _Kings_ was a noble effort but every time Ian McShane wasn’t on screen chewing scenery I remembered how it wasn’t very good at all.

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**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/48 "2012-03-05T20:04:51Z")

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Watching the recent _Thor_ movie, good effects, lackluster script, I couldn’t help think that they now had the technology to shoot Zelazny’s _Lord of Light_ or _Creatures of Light and Darkness_. Either would be great movies.

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**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/49 "2012-03-05T20:24:25Z")

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I want a _Rendezvous with Rama_ movie so bad that I keep wanting it even though I know they’ll completely fuck it up.

At this point, I’d really rather no one tried to do a _Childhood’s End_ movie, because it would seem lame and trite and people would think it was a rip-off of too many things.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/50 "2012-03-05T20:41:01Z")

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> [@CalMeacham](#):
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> You need to read more carefully – I implied that he started writing the story first, then learned of it through the legal department. How could this possibly be any clearer:

Apparently I misunderstood your intent. When you said that somebody “noticed the similarity” I thought you were implying that Coon got caught copying Brown’s idea.

If you feel that Coon came up with the idea without copying Brown, what was all this about?

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> Brown’s story has been very highly rated, and heavily anthologized. I have it in at least four anthologies that I own, particularly in The Science Fictiion Hall of Fame, the entries of which were the stories voted “all-time best”, at least by 1964. If you knew anything about SF literature at the time, you’d probably be aware of Brown’s story. TSFHoF hadn’t been published yet, but the story had been anthologized a half dozen times by the time Star Trek hit the air, and was apparently pretty well-known.

The only way this appears relevant is if you’re trying to make the case that Coon must have known Brown’s story before writing his own.

My apologies if I misunderstood you. But I thought what you were basically saying was _“I’m not Gene Coon so I can’t prove that he copied Frederic Brown’s story. But here’s all the evidence that that’s what he did.”_

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**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/51 "2012-03-05T20:46:29Z")

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> [@Bill\_Door](#):
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> Watching the recent _Thor_ movie, good effects, lackluster script, I couldn’t help think that they now had the technology to shoot Zelazny’s _Lord of Light_ or _Creatures of Light and Darkness_. Either would be great movies.

Or _Jack of Shadows_.

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**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/52 "2012-03-05T20:55:11Z")

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> [@Sunspace](#):
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> How about a remix of The Lord of the Rings with less battle footage but bigger landscapes? I mean, it took place across much of a continent. The river Anduin should have been the size of the Mississippi.

I loved most of the landscapes in LotR but the small Anduin (going through a jungly forest nonetheless) was the biggest thing that sticks out IMO. I was also bugged by the CGI rocks, the bottom of the Fangorn looking pretty artificial (not that I would know), the waters of the Shire not looking like I imagine them in England, and the lava stones stuck all over the plains of Rohan.

But these are flaws in a movie whose landscape was the _best_ I’ve ever seen. The Misty Mountains were even _better_ than I had imagined them (as Alps): they looked just as imposing as they were meant to be, considering they were created by Sauron’s master to impede the forces of good.

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**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/53 "2012-03-05T20:57:38Z")

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> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> Apparently I misunderstood your intent. When you said that somebody “noticed the similarity” I thought you were implying that Coon got caught copying Brown’s idea.
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> If you feel that Coon came up with the idea without copying Brown, what was all this about?The only way this appears relevant is if you’re trying to make the case that Coon must have known Brown’s story before writing his own.
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> My apologies if I misunderstood you. But I thought what you were basically saying was _“I’m not Gene Coon so I can’t prove that he copied Frederic Brown’s story. But here’s all the evidence that that’s what he did.”_

No, I was suggesting that he should have been aware of the story – or someone there at the Star Trek franchise should have, before the legal folks tipped them off. It’s not as if Roddenberry was working i a vaxcuum – he was searching through SF magazines and stories for background, and his first two seasons were characterized by scripts by a number of well-known Sf writers (Jerome Bixby, Harlan Ellison, Robert Bloch) and up-and-comers (Norman Spinrad, David Gerrold)

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**Author:** ![Musky\_Moon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90db22/32.png) [@Musky\_Moon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musky_Moon)\
**Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/54 "2012-03-05T21:00:54Z")

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Just recently watched the Ken Burn’s documentary about Frank Lloyd Wright. What an utterly fascinating man. An unimaginable genius and a complete asshole. Such a complex character would make an excellent biopic. There’s enough drama, heartbreak and triumph in this story to match any biopic I’ve seen in recent years.

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**Author:** ![SticksAndString](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@SticksAndString](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SticksAndString)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/55 "2012-03-06T00:05:32Z")

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I’m a huge fan of the “Bloody Jack” series by L.A. Meyer (which if you haven’t read them, but you like teenage girl pirates who are constantly up to shennanigans then you MUST read the series 😃 ) and I’d LOVE to see this series made into a movie if they could only find the right girl to play Mary Alsop aka Jacky Faber.

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**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/56 "2012-03-06T00:55:36Z")

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A movie about [Jack Churchill](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill), you’d have to tone it down or no one would believe it’s true.

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**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/57 "2012-03-06T01:21:09Z")

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I wouldn’t mind a _Forbidden Planet_ remake with better acting and less woooooooooooooo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo sound effects.

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**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/58 "2012-03-06T01:51:24Z")

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I’d really love to see the [Mars trilogy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_trilogy) made into a trio of miniseries (or one lone epic miniseries). Of course the dates would need to be changed and several of the Russian characters would need to become Chinese.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/59 "2012-03-06T03:18:01Z")

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[I want to see Movie: The Movie](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3NwB9PLxss#t=57s)

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/movies-youd-like-to-see-or-even-make/614649/60 "2012-03-06T03:33:20Z")

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> [@CalMeacham](#):
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> No, I was suggesting that he should have been aware of the story – or someone there at the Star Trek franchise should have, before the legal folks tipped them off. It’s not as if Roddenberry was working i a vaxcuum – he was searching through SF magazines and stories for background, and his first two seasons were characterized by scripts by a number of well-known Sf writers (Jerome Bixby, Harlan Ellison, Robert Bloch) and up-and-comers (Norman Spinrad, David Gerrold)

Do you have any idea of how many SF 'zines were out back in those days? Each churning out a dozen stories a month? His stroy was published in 1944. It wasn’t collected until 1970, likely due to it’s inclusion in the 1967 ToS epi.

There’s no freaken way anyone could have been aware of such a obscure story from a more or less little known author\*? (Most famous for _The Shortest Horror Story_).

- I am not demeaning him. There were so many greats back then that Brown could hardly shine in comparison.

Back to _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_. Likely RAH’s best loved book. But only a handful of his books have made it into film, and none are beloved by RAH’s fans (altho there are some that said good things about _Destination Moon_, but it’s so very dated today). It also just won’t make a great film (the same with the Foundation series). Maybe a mini-series, yes. Still, few _great SF books_ actually make **great SF films.** _2001, Do Androids Dream_… not so many others.

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