# Moving Isreal **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 12, 2010, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607 "2010-01-12T02:43:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/41 "2010-01-12T08:58:15Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Several thousand years back, you mean? Gee, I don’t know, the trek from Ur to California (a place including locations whose climate and geology are similar to those of Israel, making it a suitable Promised Land) might have taken a while. Go a \*little \*further back, to when Pangea existed, and it would be _doable_, even on foot! 😃 To bad _H. Sap_ wasn’t around at the time to take advantage of the possibilities. We could have gone everywhere by train, thus eliminating the need for the TSA, which \*\*has \*\*to be a Good Thing! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/42 "2010-01-12T09:15:23Z")
> [@njtt](#): > > There were very fews Jews living in the area before 1948 (when the state of Israel was established in Palestine), Wrong. Jews constituted about one-third of the population of Palestine at the time of the partition. > [@](#): > > and they were co-existing reasonably peaceably with the Palestinians before then. Wrong, there were repeated hostilities perpetrated by all parties. You’ve never heard of the 1920 Jerusalem Riots? I think you might need to peruse the stacks yourself. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/43 "2010-01-12T10:17:14Z")
> [@Odaran09](#): > > Why can’t we relocate Isreal to a more European location. This is a stupid idea. I mean, I’m no friend of the _status quo_ in Israel and I think its monumentally stupid, for all the reasons given by others. Just _why_ should the current citizens of Israel do this, anyway? Almost none of them (Muslim, Jew, Druze, Samaritan or Christian) want to move, AFAICT. I mean, you aren’t just talking about removing the Jewish citizens, right? That would be rather…ethnic. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/44 "2010-01-12T10:49:56Z")
> [@Odaran09](#): > > Why can’t we relocate Isreal to a more European location. Capital idea! Somewhere between Germany and Switzerland or Germany and Poland should be ideal. If there’s one place Jews should feel safer than Israel it’d be in Europe, right? Nothing bad ever happened to them there. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/45 "2010-01-12T11:42:38Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > Maybe we should all swap every 5 months or so. Dibs on Canada. As long as we get the south from May to September, you might have some takers up here… ---
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/46 "2010-01-12T12:28:27Z")
From what I understand there is already significant emigration from Israel by Israelis. People fed up with the ongoing situation, who have the mobility of education. If that continues or accelerates I don’t think it is going to solve much though (except for them of course) since those left will of course tend to be more entrenched, politically. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/47 "2010-01-12T12:36:08Z")
I read somewhere there were 5 million + jews in the USA, and 5 million + in Israel. Why don’t the ones in Israel move in with the US ones…problem solved. Or maybe the ones in Israel just like their martyrdom a little too much? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/48 "2010-01-12T12:37:49Z")
> [@Stoneburg](#): > > From what I understand there is already significant emigration from Israel by Israelis. People fed up with the ongoing situation, who have the mobility of education. If that continues or accelerates I don’t think it is going to solve much though (except for them of course) since those left will of course tend to be more entrenched, politically. There is emigration, yes, but also immigration and returning emigrants, not to mention one of the highest growth rates in the industrialized world. The Jewish population of Israel has been increasing at a steady rate which has shown no signs of stopping. I was an emigrant once myself. Lived in New York for a couple of years, had fun, made some money, and then I went home to raise a family. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/49 "2010-01-12T12:42:53Z")
[Grand Island, NY](http://www.wgrz.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=71978) Having grown up steps from Grand Island, I always heard that it was a (theoretical option) for the State of Israel. Given that my parents lived in Israel after their liberation from concentration camps and much of my extended family is still there, it would have been great to be able to drive to Israel… Obviously, Grans Island was never a serious option, but it always impressed me that the need for a homeland was recognized so clearly by many different groups. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/50 "2010-01-12T12:44:12Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > I read somewhere there were 5 million + jews in the USA, and 5 million + in Israel. > > Why don’t the ones in Israel move in with the US ones…problem solved. > > Or maybe the ones in Israel just like their martyrdom a little too much? Why don’t the Northern Irish unionists simply move across to live with their bretheren in England if they like being part of the UK so much? Problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/51 "2010-01-12T12:47:00Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > Why don’t the Northern Irish unionists simply move across to live with their bretheren in England if they like being part of the UK so much? Problem solved. Erm… I don’t really think their little beef is likely to spill over into a conflict that might involve the rest of the world, or maybe you have more information on their activities than I do? Do spill. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/52 "2010-01-12T12:48:56Z")
So what it boils down to is how to find a final solution to the Jewish question. I see, Ivan. Thanks for making your position clear. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/53 "2010-01-12T12:52:25Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > So what it boils down to is how to find a final solution to the Jewish question. I see, Ivan. Thanks for making your position clear. Hey, it’s not just me that thinks that\*. Apparently, a lot of big movers and shakers have been sitting around tables for years trying to sort this shit out. - “That” the issue is important; not that there needs to be a “final solution”. That was your snarky choice of words. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/54 "2010-01-12T12:54:11Z")
[QUOTE=Koxinga] So what it boils down to is how to find a final solution to the Jewish question. [/QUOTE] > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Hey, it’s not just me that thinks that. :rolleyes: You have no idea. ---
**Author:** ![Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/55 "2010-01-12T12:59:34Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > I read somewhere there were 5 million + jews in the USA, and 5 million + in Israel. > > Why don’t the ones in Israel move in with the US ones…problem solved. > > Or maybe the ones in Israel just like their martyrdom a little too much? I believe that there are about 2 million moslems living in Israel west of the Jordan, and 1,500 million moslems living elsewhere. Why don’t the ones in Israel move in with the other ones… problem solved. Or maybe the ones in Israel like their martyrdom a little too much? (Feel free to insert your own smiley here.) ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/56 "2010-01-12T13:01:50Z")
Do you think there’d be as many as 2 million if the rest of the world wasn’t watching their every move? ---
**Author:** ![Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/57 "2010-01-12T13:02:34Z")
posting error ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/58 "2010-01-12T13:06:05Z")
Exactly. And too many ‘moderate’ jews are turning a blind eye to their more extreme counterpart’s actions, while reinforcing the perpetual victim role. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/59 "2010-01-12T13:07:26Z")
“The Jewish Question”? What, is it 1946 and no-one told me? ---
**Author:** ![Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/60 "2010-01-12T13:07:59Z")
Seriously, the critical points about the Jewish problem are: - the Jews have stopped accepting that there is a Jewish problem - the Jews have armed themselves and are well dug in - any solution which doesn’t meet Jewish agreement can only be imposed by total war A peaceful solution can only found if: - the arabs stop fighting (\*) - Israeli security is guaranteed, de jure and de facto Sandwich - please think carefully before arguing that you can have a peaceful solution while the arabs continue to wage war against the jews [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607.md?page=4)