# Moving Isreal **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 12, 2010, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607 "2010-01-12T02:43:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/61 "2010-01-12T13:17:23Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > “The Jewish Question”? What, is it 1946 and no-one told me? It’s kind of like Harry Reid and the Negro Question. Sometimes using deliberately anachronistic language helps to illuminate preconceptions. What are the premises underlying this thread? How have they changed since 1946? Or 1496? ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/62 "2010-01-12T13:21:49Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > “The Jewish Question”? What, is it 1946 and no-one told me? Alessan, I would have to understand your beliefs before I could respect them, and as a top-to-toe atheist I can only think that if my beliefs were at the root of so much misery in the world, I’d drop them like a snotty rag. Perhaps that is the difference between a religionist and a rationalist? ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/63 "2010-01-12T13:22:05Z")
> [@Sandwich](#): > > Seriously, the critical points about the Jewish problem are: > > - the Jews have stopped accepting that there is a Jewish problem > - the Jews have armed themselves and are well dug in > - any solution which doesn’t meet Jewish agreement can only be imposed by total war > > A peaceful solution can only found if: > > - the arabs stop fighting (\*) > - Israeli security is guaranteed, de jure and de facto > > Sandwich > > - please think carefully before arguing that you can have a peaceful solution while the arabs continue to wage war against the jews And what would you define as a “Jewish problem?” Not enough Kosher at the corner deli? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/64 "2010-01-12T13:31:07Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Alessan, I would have to understand your beliefs before I could respect them, and as a top-to-toe atheist I can only think that if my beliefs were at the root of so much misery in the world, I’d drop them like a snotty rag. > > Perhaps that is the difference between a religionist and a rationalist? What’s so hard to understand about patriotism? I love my country. I am loyal to it. I have an obligation towards my fellow countrymen. These are not sentimnts a liberal, well-educated post-modern middle-class yuppie like me expresses all that willingly, but that’s the way it is. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/65 "2010-01-12T13:33:56Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > What’s so hard to understand about patriotism? Nothing. Last refuge of the scoundrel, I heard. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/66 "2010-01-12T13:41:37Z")
Okay, it was directed at “false” patriotism, and I’m not going to say that about you, so I take my flippant response back. Tbh, though, even patriotism baffles me. If you take pride in the good your country does, you’ve got to be shameful for the bad, and to insist your country does no bad, is completely unrealistic. I could take some sort of pride for the area I live, if it was positive and I had something to do with it, but other than that… ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/67 "2010-01-12T13:42:54Z")
Screw Israel. I want to talk about Sweden. Why can’t we move the Swedes out of there? At least from the regions that used to be Danish: Skåne, Halland and Blekinge. All the work involved would also work as a stimulus package. And SAS may even, if magic is employed, become profitable if give all the transport jobs. We could move them to China. The economy is supposed to be good there and they already have SAAB. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/68 "2010-01-12T13:47:16Z")
The human race will always have a chance as long as we retain our sense of humour. Apparently, those Swedes don’t have one, so I’m all for that. Seriously though - Swedish stand-up comedians, anyone? ps. [Hang on, I could be wrong](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXmxdIxyzFY) \< 8 minutes later\> Nope, I’m still awaiting proof. ---
**Author:** ![Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/69 "2010-01-12T13:47:49Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > And what would you define as a “Jewish problem?” Not enough Kosher at the corner deli? > > :dubious: Personally I don’t have any need to define a ‘Jewish problem’, so I’ll pass. > [@Marshall McLuhan](#): > > I don’t necessarily agree with everything I say. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/70 "2010-01-12T14:02:07Z")
In answer to OP, is not Isrealistic. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/71 "2010-01-12T14:04:43Z")
Sometimes I’m amazed at how ridiculous topics can go so far on the Straight Dope. Really, move the entire country of Israel? Seems like a rather silly idea that doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/72 "2010-01-12T14:11:55Z")
> [@Sandwich](#): > > It’s kind of like Harry Reid and the Negro Question. Sometimes using deliberately anachronistic language helps to illuminate preconceptions. Harry Reid? Ohhh, yeah. That’s exactly who I had in mind. Anachronisms sound even better in the original German, though, don’t they? “Endlösung der Judenfrage” just sort of rolls off the tongue. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/73 "2010-01-12T14:56:14Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Sometimes I’m amazed at how ridiculous topics can go so far on the Straight Dope. Really, move the entire country of Israel? Seems like a rather silly idea that doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously. Well, it’s certainly silly, but not for that reason. Seventy years ago the nation-state of Israel existed only in people’s heads. Now it’s a rather nice chunk of land next to the Mediterreanean. [QUOTE=ivan astikov] I read somewhere there were 5 million + jews in the USA, and 5 million + in Israel. Why don’t the ones in Israel move in with the US ones…problem solved. Or maybe the ones in Israel just like their martyrdom a little too much? [/QUOTE] So, because there are lots of Jews in the US, the rest should join them? Hey, there are 140 million-odd people of British descent in the US. Why all this Battle of Britain nonsense during WWII? You could all have moved to the US and let Hitler have the British Isles. “Problem solved”. ---
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/74 "2010-01-12T15:06:39Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > Screw Israel. I want to talk about Sweden. Why can’t we move the Swedes out of there? At least from the regions that used to be Danish: Skåne, Halland and Blekinge. All the work involved would also work as a stimulus package. And SAS may even, if magic is employed, become profitable if give all the transport jobs. We could move them to China. The economy is supposed to be good there and they already have SAAB. You got my vote. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/75 "2010-01-12T15:15:19Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > So what it boils down to is how to find a final solution to the Jewish question. I see, Ivan. Thanks for making your position clear. You know who else proposed a final solution??? Hitler!!! This place cracks me up sometimes. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/76 "2010-01-12T15:19:59Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > You know who else proposed a final solution??? Hitler!!! > > This place cracks me up sometimes. 😃 Go directly to Hell. Do not collect 200. Keep a seat warm for me there… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/77 "2010-01-12T15:58:19Z")
> [@njtt](#): > > I am not sure what you mean. They would not be fighting actual Palestinians any more. The actual Palestinians would be quite content. They would have got their homeland back. But if you moved Israel to Bulgaria, say, the Bulgarians that you kicked out of their homes to make way for them would be fighting to get their homeland back. > > You are aware, are you, that the reason Palestinians hate Israel is that they used to live there, and were kicked out of their homeland in 1948 to make way for this new country? There was no particular bad blood between Arabs and Jews before that. You might to go look up some terms like dhimmi. Or the history of Arab Jews both then and now. A significant portion of Jews live in Israel because they were forcibly removed from Islamic countries, countries where Jews had been living for thousands of years albiet as second class citizens. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/78 "2010-01-12T16:01:52Z")
> [@njtt](#): > > That is bullshit. You need to read a book or something. Perhaps you should read one that isn’t picture-based. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/79 "2010-01-12T16:13:42Z")
> [@njtt](#): > > That is bullshit. You need to read a book or something. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Perhaps you should read one that isn’t picture-based. Cool it, please. Personal insults aren’t allowed in Great Debates. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moving-isreal/524607/80 "2010-01-12T16:47:35Z")
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