# Mr. Chance-About Ekmandu's "Ethics" thread in GD **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [March 5, 2014, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-chance-about-ekmandus-ethics-thread-in-gd/682931 "2014-03-05T15:53:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-chance-about-ekmandus-ethics-thread-in-gd/682931/21 "2014-03-05T20:25:43Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > That’s not just misogyny – that’s out and out raving batshittery. But he didn’t use any swear words. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-chance-about-ekmandus-ethics-thread-in-gd/682931/22 "2014-03-05T20:33:27Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Didn’t we also decide fairly recently that we were going to clamp down harder on misogyny? I don’t think it needs to make it to hate-speech levels anymore. > fn the future. That was more of a request to end the constest, worn out “Pics?” jokes in threads where women ask advice about bra-shopping, or talk about having breast-reduction surgery, etc. Basically, “please, enough with the sexist pig threadshits.” (At least, that’s what it start OUT as.) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-chance-about-ekmandus-ethics-thread-in-gd/682931/23 "2014-03-05T20:54:55Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > The second - lacking the providing of cites - is an issue of frustrating other posters. But again, Great Debates is the forum that specifically provides for argument that cannot be cited. If such frustrates you, then obviously the solution is to not participate in such threads. And if a poster angers you so much we have the BBQ Pit handy just a few fora over. It’s certainly allowed to begin a Pit thread and invite the subject to join you there providing your posts in Great Debates don’t becoming insulting or somesuch. Two arguments: 1. There is an immaterial God who rules the universe, and whose existence we must accept on faith. In response to this one, a call for a cite is inappropriate, since the claim **by its very nature** is nonfalsifiable. 1. All suicide is related to female sexuality, and any experiment performed on the subject would back me up. In response to this argument, a call for a cite is almost mandatory, since it’s a claim about a falsifiable phenomenon–including a claim that it’s falsifiable. Including the first in Great Debates is kind of necessary, since obviously one of the major debates that’s concerned humanity over our existence is whether there’s a god. Including the second in great debates, after calls for cites are ignored, cheapens the forum. I do like the idea of popping things like that down to the Pit sooner rather than later. As soon as someone makes it clear that they’re going to make ridiculous appalling claims with no evidence–as soon as it’s clear that their only contribution to the board is as a chew toy–let’s put them in the pit where they can be chewed properly. ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Bloom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leo_bloom/32/10377_2.png) [@Leo\_Bloom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Bloom)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-chance-about-ekmandus-ethics-thread-in-gd/682931/24 "2014-03-05T20:54:55Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > …People did seem to be having fun batting it around… > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I see what you’re saying, Jonathan, … > An argument isn’t simply gainsaying the other party, you know… Just FTR, **Jonathan Chance** and **Left Hand** are going at it in style. Cites: [INDENT] **Vamp** You’re so comforting. **Dr. Hackenbush** We Hackenbush’s are all like that. Shall we sit down and bat it around? [/INDENT] Answered by, of course, by the [Connoisseur of Arguments,](http://youtu.be/JkzjBfTDH20) 1:09-1:14. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-chance-about-ekmandus-ethics-thread-in-gd/682931/25 "2014-03-05T21:35:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > edited to add: And advocating rape. For the sexual advantage of “nice guys”. Who he also claims work to **stop** rape (and war and violence and blah blah blah). No contradiction whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![turtlescanfly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@turtlescanfly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/turtlescanfly)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-chance-about-ekmandus-ethics-thread-in-gd/682931/26 "2014-03-06T01:33:26Z")
I for one think the moderation was spot on. The OP had started circling back to simply restating his theses…the reason it went on so long is because he literally spouted TONS of crazy every time he posted…and every new post brought something new to be questioned/challenged…it’s not like the spiral started on page one. The misogyny was, IMHO, more of the clueless (“i don’t understand women but I think do”) variety than malicious (“they all be bitches and hoes”). There was no cause to shut down the thread for that alone. Kudos to **Human Action** for hanging in there with him post after post, page after page without resorting to name calling. The Dopers who participated in that thread for the most part gave Ecimandu the benefit of the doubt and gave him every chance to make his point, and you have to admit that Ecimandu did stay very civil throughout, though increasingly nutty. He seemed to be genuinely confused by the continued request for a cite, I think because the “studies” he continually referenced were his numerous thought experiments that hadn’t actually been conducted ( which he admitted). He believed that the results of his proposed studies were so self evident that they didn’t even NEED to be conducted, he could just reference the “conclusions” as fact. I think (even now) he genuinely does not understand why we just didn’t concede that point to him. Lastly, I have to say I’m a little concerned that the OP states it is his life mission to prove his theories by any means necessary as long as it’s ethical…mostly because I’m afraid of what he considers to be ethical. This thread will one day be admitted as evidence at trial once Ecks finally snaps. He has all the earmarks of a raging sociopath. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-chance-about-ekmandus-ethics-thread-in-gd/682931/27 "2014-03-06T06:34:20Z")
Sorry, but I disagree, **turtles** - his misogyny WAS malicious. When someone _seriously_ states that, if a woman has sex with a man who _flirts_ with her, she should either be sentenced to jail or be raped by 50 nice guys (oh, I’m sorry, “forced to have sex with 50 nice guys”, my bad)? And when he blames literally ALL SUICIDE AND MURDER on women only wanting to fuck douchebags? And that literally every single woman goes along with this system because it’s just soooo beneficial to them? That is NOT clueless misogyny. That is long-simmering, savored hatred right there. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-chance-about-ekmandus-ethics-thread-in-gd/682931/28 "2014-03-06T11:05:13Z")
**Mr. Chance** closed the thread of the smartest person on Earth? That’s cold. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-chance-about-ekmandus-ethics-thread-in-gd/682931/29 "2014-03-06T12:11:27Z")
Yeah, go figure. It’s like I’m too dumb to see the light or something. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-chance-about-ekmandus-ethics-thread-in-gd/682931/30 "2014-03-06T12:20:17Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > 1. You are correct-I was not formally cited or warned. > 2. “But again, Great Debates is the forum that specifically provides for argument that cannot be cited.” Nobody asked for his argument to be cited-they asked for his stated claims of facts and figures to be cited, for without real numbers there is nothing to argue about. This was nothing like arguing about religion-he was stating _statistics_. I don’t get this sentiment. An argument is either valid or not. Cites are a helpful tool in establishing facts and bolstering one’s position. If someone choses to not provide them, it makes his claims more questionable and his argument less convincing. That doesn’t mean it’s necessarily wrong. The OP of that thread seems to be nuts and his opinions off the wall. I think that was demonstrated amply. Even without cites. So, what’s the problem? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2014, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-chance-about-ekmandus-ethics-thread-in-gd/682931/31 "2014-03-06T12:21:31Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > **Mr. Chance** closed the thread of the smartest person on Earth? That’s cold. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-chance-about-ekmandus-ethics-thread-in-gd/682931/32 "2014-03-07T18:20:18Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > **Mr. Chance** closed the thread of the smartest person on Earth? That’s cold. That’s the guy who realizes we are on a concave world, not the misogynist! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-chance-about-ekmandus-ethics-thread-in-gd/682931.md?page=1)