# Mr. Clothahump, if you will **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422 "2017-03-31T16:23:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/1 "2017-03-31T16:23:22Z")
(Sorry. Longish.) So, in [this other thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=822709)a newcomer tried pitting \*\*Helena330 \*\*for being a man-hating feminazi™, while himself displaying a blatantly misogynous attitude and insisting that women-hating comic book villains are a good source for relationship counseling. It didn’t go well for him, and he took quite a beating, with MOST responders taking Helena’s side and pointing out to the OP just how misguided and illogical his arguments were. Most, but not all. Clothahump stuck his head into the thread to offer up his familiar anti-liberal sentiment. > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by \*\*Clothahump \*\* > They’re liberals, dude. Any time you say anything based in logic and fact, you’re automatically wrong and evil and bigoted and thinking with your dick, etc. Since the “logic” of the OP included arguing that women should be fucked and discarded before they can steal a man’s money, quoting the Green Goblin as a source of wisdom, I responded with the following. > [@](#): > > \*\*Me: \*\* > Or, y’know, based on a SPIDERMAN VILLAIN! > > Jeez. I know you just enjoy poking librulz with a stick, and you can’t possibly be this stupid in real life, but tone it down a little. > You’re getting clown makeup all over the board. Clothahump, rather than acknowledge the first point, simple retorted > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by \*\*Clothahump \*\* > Sorry if it upsets you, dude - it was a statement of fact. All one has to do is to read responses to my posts to see what I’m talking about. Just the responses in this thread prove what I said. > > It’s not that I _enjoy_ poking libs with a stick, but damn, it gets tiring reading idiotic bullshit and namecalling responses every day whenever I post something. It’s like listening to the monkeys in the zoo gibbering and throwing shit all over the place. It was funny for a while but not any more. And so I offered this. > [@](#): > > \*\*Me: > \*\*OK. No name-calling then. > Just this: > [ol] > [li]Posters have pointed out to the OP that referencing the hateful words of a deranged comic-book villain calling women gold-diggers is NOT sound counsel for someone seeking relationship advice. [/li][li]Posters have pointed out to the OP that using terms such as “bitch” and “broad” do not reflect well on the counsel-giver in such cases. [/li][li]Posters have suggested the OP is wrong to brand Helena330 an “anti-male, feminist zealot” for using the phrase “thinking with his dick”, because this really is a common phrase used by men and women alike.[/li][/ol] > While other posts have included what could be seen as anti-conservative (or anti-Trump) remarks, I don’t think the above points are in any way political. I think they are quite rational, indeed, common-sense observations. Don’t you? > > Yet your first contribution to this thread is, > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by \*\*Clothahump \*\* > > They’re liberals, dude. Any time you say anything based in logic and fact, you’re automatically wrong and evil and bigoted and thinking with your dick, etc. > > OK, so if you despise ridicule in response to “logic and fact”, please address the logical points I laid out above. And if you truly understand the liberal mindset so well, perhaps you could explain to the OP why MOST people here have chosen not to side with him. Heck, you don’t have to agree with us, just show a modicum of objective thinking. Put down the stick and \*study \*the monkeys. \*Learn \*from them! > > Meantime, please consider this. > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by \*\*Helena330 \*\* > > Cosmic, if you truly are in college, it’s about growing as a person, not just earning a degree. Take a class outside your comfort zone, maybe a sociology or psych class on inequality or gender(gasp!), just one class. Discomfort means you’re learning. When you have over a dozen people telling you you’re wrong, while it’s easy to dismiss us as “libtards”, it’s possible the problem is you. I’ve been on boards a very long time and have made a lot of stupid posts, and have deservedly gotten beaten down for them. But I’ve also learned a lot from those experiences. I sincerely hope you’ve taken something from this, even if it’s just the realization that you have a lot to learn. > > Coming from a person who has been called an “anti-male, feminist zealot” with daddy issues by the OP, I think this is a very gracious response. What say you? In that thread, the OP himself actually did an about-turn, acknowledged his fault and apologized. Nevertheless, the poster was banned and the thread was closed, so there’s no hope of getting a reply from \*\*Clothahump \*\*there. Hence this new thread, wherein I would again like to ask \*\*Clothahump \*\*to respond to my post above. I realize that to most Dopers this probably seems like wishing for a brick wall to bang my head against, but what the heck. Clothahump, if you value reason and honesty, then please accept my invitation with a reasoned and honest response. And, as you seem to despise name-calling, I again promise to refrain from name-calling and ridicule in this thread. I honestly have little hope, but at least some hope, that you might surprise me by helping me to see a better side of you. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/2 "2017-03-31T16:27:38Z")
Quote function malfunctioning… From OP: “Clothahump, if you value reason and honesty,…” Oh, so you’re going to put conditions on it. Best of luck to ya! ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/3 "2017-03-31T16:36:17Z")
To the OP, curious question: Taking you at face value that you’re not just looking for a pile-on, what’s the point of this thread? Why would you care what Clothahump thinks about anything, or whether or not he’ll give a reasoned and honest response to your questions? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/4 "2017-03-31T16:46:40Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > To the OP, curious question: > > Taking you at face value that you’re not just looking for a pile-on, what’s the point of this thread? Why would you care what Clothahump thinks about anything, or whether or not he’ll give a reasoned and honest response to your questions? Might as well ask what’s the point of the Dope! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/5 "2017-03-31T16:51:31Z")
I’d like to see a response to this, also [from a locked thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20073555&postcount=357). > [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > **Bone** > **Sam Stone** > **Bricker** > **John Mace** (he disagrees, but too bad) > **XT** > **Martini Enfield** > **PunditLisa** > > These are some of folks around here whose positions are far more conservative than mine, but with whom I can generally carry on a civilized, rational debate; I recognize that they reach their different positions not out of ignorance, but out of some different principles and a different understanding of the implications of the facts. > > Which leftists on the board do you think can carry on rational debate? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/6 "2017-03-31T17:08:05Z")
**Clothahump** has been posting here for more than a decade, most of his content being poorly-sourced, counterfactual anti-liberal screeds and drive-by insults, and yet, after all this time, seems utterly baffled that there might be name-calling in the Pit. Furthermore, his chosen method of demonstrating the unfairness of such name-calling is…to indulge in incessant name-calling. I wish the OP best of luck, but IMO expecting “reason and honesty” from **Clothy** is something of a fool’s errand. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/7 "2017-03-31T17:16:51Z")
The sky is a different color in his world. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/8 "2017-03-31T17:43:23Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > (Sorry. Longish.) Well, right off the bat, that’s a mistake. Writing about Clothahump is a waste of time and effort, and doing so longishly just means more waste. He loves your scorn, uses it to define his identity and “prove” he’s on the right track. There isn’t any evolutionary pressure on him to self-improve or self-educate, so he’ll remain happy in his little trolly niche. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/9 "2017-03-31T17:54:13Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > To the OP, curious question: > > Taking you at face value that you’re not just looking for a pile-on, what’s the point of this thread? Why would you care what Clothahump thinks about anything, or whether or not he’ll give a reasoned and honest response to your questions? No, not looking for a pile-on, and hoping that doesn’t happen. My intent is as I stated at the end upthread, to see if Clothahump can show a side of himself that I have not yet seen and actually engage in some honest discourse. This probably seems futile to most, and my observation of Clothahump’s behavior over the years does not give me much hope, but I’ll leave the door open nonetheless. To be truly honest, this is more of a challenge than an invitation. It seems to me that Clothahump’s modus operandi is to jump into threads with a boilerplate “Liberals are close-minded, dishonest morons; and that’s a fact!” then point at every retort with “See! Just as I said!” and then duck out before addressing any attempts at honest debate. In his last response to me he suggested that So, I’m putting this out to leave him no excuse. If he is truly doesn’t like name-calling and doesn’t like poking Liberals with a stick, as he claims, then this is his opportunity to leave that behind. If he truly values logic then this is his opportunity to prove it. I realize I’m probably not doing anything that hasn’t been attempted by others before, but I really would like to see his response to my questions. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/10 "2017-03-31T18:05:56Z")
I confess, i am curious myself. I have seen Clothahump deride liberals for failing to engage in reasonable debate, but i only ever seem to see him do nasty little drivebys, calling names. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/11 "2017-03-31T18:07:31Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > My intent is as I stated at the end upthread, to see if Clothahump can show a side of himself that I have not yet seen and actually engage in some honest discourse. Understood. But the question is why you would care if he can or can’t do this. There are billions of people out there and Clothahump is just one of them. Why is it important to know whether this one guy, that you have no apparent connection to, can or cannot engage in some honest discourse? > [@](#): > > To be truly honest, this is more of a challenge than an invitation. It seems to me that Clothahump’s modus operandi is to jump into threads with a boilerplate “Liberals are close-minded, dishonest morons; and that’s a fact!” then point at every retort with “See! Just as I said!” and then duck out before addressing any attempts at honest debate. In his last response to me he suggested that > So, I’m putting this out to leave him no excuse. If he is truly doesn’t like name-calling and doesn’t like poking Liberals with a stick, as he claims, then this is his opportunity to leave that behind. If he truly values logic then this is his opportunity to prove it. Not to take a position on what Clothahump is or is not capable of, but I don’t think the invitation is all that. You’re not in control of this thread, even if you started it. Even if you live up to your end of the bargain, you’re likely to be drowned out in a wave of name callers. Engaging in reasoned and honest debates with one guy while simultaneously dealing with many name callers is a challenge (and certainly not remotely comparable to engaging in it with those name callers on your side). So I don’t know if it’s a valid test of what someone would be capable of in the absence of name calling altogether. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/12 "2017-03-31T18:10:28Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Understood. But the question is why you would care if he can or can’t do this. There are billions of people out there and Clothahump is just one of them. Why is it important to know whether this one guy, that you have no apparent connection to, can or cannot engage in some honest discourse? Why start any thread on any topic? Do any threads really qualify as “important”? Maybe he just feels like asking this question? ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/13 "2017-03-31T18:10:52Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > **Clothahump** I wish the OP best of luck, but IMO expecting “reason and honesty” from **Clothy** is something of a fool’s errand. Well, then I’m answering my calling. And thank you. 🙂  > [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > The sky is a different color in his world. Clothahump or me? (I’d accept “Yes” as a response.) > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, right off the bat, that’s a mistake. Writing about Clothahump is a waste of time and effort, and doing so longishly just means more waste. He loves your scorn, uses it to define his identity and “prove” he’s on the right track. There isn’t any evolutionary pressure on him to self-improve or self-educate, so he’ll remain happy in his little trolly niche. Perhaps not the best use of my time (I could be writing to family instead!), but not a total waste, even if he doesn’t respond. For one, writing these things out, though time-consuming, helps me to put my own thoughts in order. Argument is not my strong point, so I see this as necessary exercise. As to your suggestions on what this board means to Clothahump in terms of how he defines himself, I suspect this is true. But then it’s true also for me. I have my own biases and tend to seek out things that will help me reaffirm rather than challenge my beliefs. I realize this tendency can become a trap that leads to close-mindedness, which is something I’ve fallen into in the past and am often in danger of falling into again. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/14 "2017-03-31T18:11:08Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Understood. But the question is why you would care if he can or can’t do this. There are billions of people out there and Clothahump is just one of them. Why is it important to know whether this one guy, that you have no apparent connection to, can or cannot engage in some honest discourse? > > Not to take a position on what Clothahump is or is not capable of, but I don’t think the invitation is all that. You’re not in control of this thread, even if you started it. Even if you live up to your end of the bargain, you’re likely to be drowned out in a wave of name callers. Engaging in reasoned and honest debates with one guy while simultaneously dealing with many name callers is a challenge (and certainly not remotely comparable to engaging in it with those name callers on your side). So I don’t know if it’s a valid test of what someone would be capable of in the absence of name calling altogether. Because someone on the internet is wrong. Up with this we will not put! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/15 "2017-03-31T18:11:53Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, right off the bat, that’s a mistake. Writing about Clothahump is a waste of time and effort, and doing so longishly just means more waste. He loves your scorn, uses it to define his identity and “prove” he’s on the right track. There isn’t any evolutionary pressure on him to self-improve or self-educate, so he’ll remain happy in his little trolly niche. I’m rather pleased with the results of my recent pitting of **Clothy**. I’m not so sure it was a “waste of time and effort”. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/16 "2017-03-31T18:12:43Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > I’d like to see a response to this, also [from a locked thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20073555&postcount=357). I’m happy if this thread becomes a catchall for posts that Dopers would like to see \*\*Clothahump \*\*respond to. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/17 "2017-03-31T18:21:00Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > I’m happy if this thread becomes a catchall for posts that Dopers would like to see \*\*Clothahump \*\*respond to. He’s put so many of us on his “ignore” list that he’s effectively stuck his head in the sand\*. \*I was going to say up his ass, but I’ll respect your wish to keep things civil. Also, I’m pretty sure I’m on _the list_. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/18 "2017-03-31T18:34:32Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Understood. But the question is why you would care if he can or can’t do this. There are billions of people out there and Clothahump is just one of them. Why is it important to know whether this one guy, that you have no apparent connection to, can or cannot engage in some honest discourse? I’ve mentioned this before, but Clothahump is actually the one who prompted me to join the board after years of lurking. At that time I felt the irresistible urge to respond to someone being unbelievably wrong on the internet, and he continues to amaze me with what I consider to be distilled wrongness. I’m curious to know if it’s just trolling, or a need to feel superior to a strawman opposition, or if he has some vindicating background experience that has shaped his worldview and attitude into such an unfortunate state. People are interesting creatures. Clothahump is, I think, a very different person than me, with an immensely different world view. That makes me curious. > [@](#): > > Not to take a position on what Clothahump is or is not capable of, but I don’t think the invitation is all that. You’re not in control of this thread, even if you started it. Even if you live up to your end of the bargain, you’re likely to be drowned out in a wave of name callers. Engaging in reasoned and honest debates with one guy while simultaneously dealing with many name callers is a challenge (and certainly not remotely comparable to engaging in it with those name callers on your side). So I don’t know if it’s a valid test of what someone would be capable of in the absence of name calling altogether. Well, of course I can’t control what others post here, and since I’ve chosen to keep it in the Pit, I realize there’s a high risk of it just becoming another pile-on or dung-flinging party. Regardless of that, I intend to engage Clothahump with honesty and civility if he chooses to accept the offer. Anyone else who chooses to join in will post as they will. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/19 "2017-03-31T18:36:45Z")
Hmm… 3:30am. What a silly duffer I am. I should be in bed! \*Damn! Broke my own rule! ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/20 "2017-03-31T18:38:31Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > I’ve mentioned this before, but Clothahump is actually the one who prompted me to join the board after years of lurking. At that time I felt the irresistible urge to respond to someone being unbelievably wrong on the internet, and he continues to amaze me with what I consider to be distilled wrongness. I’m curious to know if it’s just trolling, or a need to feel superior to a strawman opposition, or if he has some vindicating background experience that has shaped his worldview and attitude into such an unfortunate state. > People are interesting creatures. Clothahump is, I think, a very different person than me, with an immensely different world view. That makes me curious. Fair response. > [@](#): > > Well, of course I can’t control what others post here, and since I’ve chosen to keep it in the Pit, I realize there’s a high risk of it just becoming another pile-on or dung-flinging party. > Regardless of that, I intend to engage Clothahump with honesty and civility if he chooses to accept the offer. Anyone else who chooses to join in will post as they will. That doesn’t seem to address my point, which that bottom line it’s not likely to be a fair test of whether or not he’s capable of it. But you do raise up another good question. If your intention was to have a discussion without name calling etc., why _did_ you start the thread in the Pit? It’s almost like you’re inviting a pile-on by others, with you yourself remaining above it all. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422.md?page=2)