# Mr. Clothahump, if you will **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422 "2017-03-31T16:23:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/181 "2017-04-07T13:49:35Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Clothahump: out of curiosity, what do you consider your finest moment on this board, in terms of the time you best presented your position in a logical, fact-supported manner? A simple link will do. > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > **Clothahump** , could you link to a single post of yours where you responded in a reasoned manner to a liberal about any political issue ever? I’d like to see answers to either to these, if you’re responding. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/182 "2017-04-07T15:09:51Z")
^^ He’s probably blocked me and don’t see this, so I’ll make a bet: he says there are too much to choose from. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/183 "2017-04-07T16:24:38Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > SB, I say this with all sincerity and love: fuck off. Oooh, he got you real good right there, **Bill**! ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/184 "2017-04-07T17:26:57Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > I hope \*\*Clothahump \*\*will be back to clarify whether his \*“Yes” \*is in response to Don’t hold your breath. No matter how easy you make it for him, he’s clearly not interested. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/185 "2017-04-09T09:45:35Z")
Bumping this for **Clothahump** ’s attention. Still hoping for a straight and clear answer to each of the points I have repeated from the start. > [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > > [@Clothahump](#): > > > > Yes. > > So, that’s a “Yes” to all those points? > > **A: You agree, with other posters that CosmicManiac’s reference to Norman Osborn was ridiculous, that he was wrong to use terms such as “bitch” and “broad”, and that he was wrong to brand Helena330 an “anti-male, feminist zealot” for using the term “thinking with his dick”.** > > Yes? > > **B: You agree that some of the comments posted before you stepped into the original Pit thread were actually quite rational.** > > Yes? > > **C: You agree that Helena330’s response to CosmicManiac’s attack was a gracious response.** > > Yes? > Since you have called my reading comprehension into question, please humor me in my request for verification of how I should parse your “Yes”. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/186 "2017-04-09T16:08:17Z")
So I hope we’ve all learnt some lessons here. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/187 "2017-04-09T17:09:29Z")
You can hug it out if you want to. I’ll skip it, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2017, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/188 "2017-04-10T22:06:51Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Bumping this for **Clothahump** ’s attention. > Still hoping for a straight and clear answer to each of the points I have repeated from the start. Jeez. You asked for a simple Yes or No, you got one. Interpret it however you wish. If you want to take it as a yes to everything, go for it. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2017, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/189 "2017-04-10T23:14:28Z")
And there you have it. **Not Carlson** was it everything you hoped for? ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/190 "2017-04-11T03:07:24Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Jeez. You asked for a simple Yes or No, you got one. Interpret it however you wish. If you want to take it as a yes to everything, go for it. You express ire and distain toward other posters like **SaneBill** for making reasoned interpetations of your posting behavior, yet now you tell me to interpret your non-specific “yes” in whichever way I wish? No. I’m not interested in playing a game of taking your words and twisting them to mean what I want them too. I want to know what YOU mean by YOUR own words. Can you own your words? Can you justify your words? Can your words be trusted? Words such as these: > [@Clothahump](#): > > Again, I hope I clarified things. If I didn’t, keep hitting me for follow-ups until I do. Well, I am still hoping for clarification. So, again, to the points I started with and have endeavored to lay out to you as clearly as possible multiple times: **A: You agree, with other posters that CosmicManiac’s reference to Norman Osborn was ridiculous, that he was wrong to use terms such as “bitch” and “broad”, and that he was wrong to brand Helena330 an “anti-male, feminist zealot” for using the term “thinking with his dick”.** Yes or no? **B: You agree that some of the comments posted before you stepped into the original Pit thread were actually quite rational.** Yes or no? **C: You agree that Helena330’s response to CosmicManiac’s attack was a gracious response.** Yes or no? An honest a straight answer to each, please. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/191 "2017-04-11T03:08:49Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > And there you have it. **Not Carlson** was it everything you hoped for? Nope. Still banging my head against the brick wall. Beginning to suspect it has concrete and steel reinforcement behind it. Fortunately, whenever I see your name the Sesame Street theme song starts playing in my severely fractured head, giving me the encouragement to keep trying. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/192 "2017-04-11T14:53:02Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > You express ire and distain toward other posters like **SaneBill** for making reasoned interpetations of your posting behavior, yet now you tell me to interpret your non-specific “yes” in whichever way I wish? > > No. I’m not interested in playing a game of taking your words and twisting them to mean what I want them too. I want to know what YOU mean by YOUR own words. > > Can you own your words? > Can you justify your words? > Can your words be trusted? > Words such as these: > Well, I am still hoping for clarification. > > So, again, to the points I started with and have endeavored to lay out to you as clearly as possible multiple times: > > **A: You agree, with other posters that CosmicManiac’s reference to Norman Osborn was ridiculous, that he was wrong to use terms such as “bitch” and “broad”, and that he was wrong to brand Helena330 an “anti-male, feminist zealot” for using the term “thinking with his dick”.** > > Yes or no? > > **B: You agree that some of the comments posted before you stepped into the original Pit thread were actually quite rational.** > > Yes or no? > > **C: You agree that Helena330’s response to CosmicManiac’s attack was a gracious response.** > > Yes or no? > An honest a straight answer to each, please. Yes to each. I don’t know what you are trying to prove with all of this, and I’m not sure you do either. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/193 "2017-04-11T16:20:44Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Yes to each. > > I don’t know what you are trying to prove with all of this, and I’m not sure you do either. **OK. Great!** Now, _finally_, we can get to the crux of the matter, which is this: If you can agree (with the posters before you) that **CosmicManiac** ’s comments were ridiculous, reprehensible and indefensible, if you can now acknowledge that the posters before you were presenting rational comments in rebuke of CosmicManiac and in defense of **Helena330** , and if you can now agree that Helena330 provided CosmicManiac with a charitable response to his nasty rant, . . . _then what in god’s good name made you feel the need to jump into that thread with a drive-by partisan snipe_, thereby taking the side of CosmicManiac \*against \*Helena330 and placing yourself in opposition to all those posters who had made rational and justified comments before you jumped in? If you claim you didn’t intend your post in support of CosmicManiac nor agree with his misogyny and mischaracterization of Helena330, then that means you can’t have properly read or understood the thread before you made your post. If you say you didn’t mean your comment as a maligning of the specific posters who preceded you, then that means you chose to ignore those poster’s comments in favor of just making a blanket partisan attack on all. So what made you feel the need to make such an unwarranted, illogical and antisocial snipe [in that thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20100533&postcount=82)? _Don’t_ tell me it’s Liberal bigotry, stupidity or dishonesty that compelled you to do it. Not after you have now admitted that the posts preceding yours were logical and justified, unlike your own post and unlike CosmicManiac whom you chose to side with. No. What compelled you to make that post came from _inside you_. As, [\*\*digs \*\*](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20105903&postcount=25)said on page 1 of this thread: This is a _community_. That means recognizing and engaging with other members. Not just lumping everyone into some nebulous conglomerate of otherness that you can sneer at. If you can, in honesty, acknowledge that in this one case your post was _fully unjustified_, and that the posters you maligned were in fact engaged in rational and justifiable posting before you stepped in to stir things up, maybe you can begin to extrapolate that thought to your general behavior in this community. Maybe stop and take a moment to think before you make your next drive-by anti-liberal jab. Read the threads you post in before dismissing everyone else as illogical and dishonest. That behavior is so utterly insulting. Take a moment to consider criticisms and contrary opinions before telling people to “fuck off” or putting them on ignore. Do you even have an interest in belonging to this community? ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/194 "2017-04-11T16:57:59Z")
That was beautiful, Not Carlson. Not sure if you planned it from the start, but if you did, you are an evil, evil person, and deserve your own entry in the Smackdown thread. 😉 However after that Clothahump will feel so ambushed that your wise words will make nothing to improve his behaviour. In fact you may have made things worse if possible… but I’m sure no-one else will blame you as we all here love wit and art and _this_ certainly was both. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/195 "2017-04-11T17:07:36Z")
I concur - an elegantly-presented argument. Sadly, I suspect the response will be silence, and possibly adding **Not Carlson** to his Ignore list to avoid having to address such awkward questions. But who knows - we may be pleasantly surprised. I wouldn’t put any money down on it, though. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/196 "2017-04-12T02:40:45Z")
Thanks. It wasn’t my intent to set a trap for **Clothahump** , so much as to get him to look in the mirror. I’d say the only trap is the one he set for himself by doing everything he claims to despise about his liberal strawman. **Clothahump** has been limping around these boards with a bear trap on his leg for years. Some folks have tried to point this out to him, but most have given up and choose, understandably, to just point and laugh. This thread has, essentially, been a week and a half exercise of trying, with fraying patience, to advise **Clothahump** “Hey! Fella! There’s a bloody great big bear trap on your leg!” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/197 "2017-04-12T10:03:18Z")
Well, good on you for trying. As you note, many of us have also tried over the years, only to have him ignore all posts of substance and resort to abuse (and then accuse the rest of us of not having any posts of substance and resorting only to abuse). After a while you stop trying and just derive whatever feeble amusement you can out of pointing and laughing at his twisted rationalizations. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/198 "2017-04-12T13:17:31Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Thanks. > It wasn’t my intent to set a trap for **Clothahump** , so much as to get him to look in the mirror. > > I’d say the only trap is the one he set for himself by doing everything he claims to despise about his liberal strawman. > **Clothahump** has been limping around these boards with a bear trap on his leg for years. Some folks have tried to point this out to him, but most have given up and choose, understandably, to just point and laugh. > This thread has, essentially, been a week and a half exercise of trying, with fraying patience, to advise **Clothahump** > “Hey! Fella! There’s a bloody great big bear trap on your leg!” No. It’s been a week and a half of you wasting my time. But at least you were civil about it. There are no bear traps on my leg. Have a nice day. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/199 "2017-04-12T13:26:18Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > No. It’s been a week and a half of you wasting my time. But at least you were civil about it. > > There are no bear traps on my leg. Have a nice day. That, Boo-boo, is why **Clot** ’s dumber than the aaaaverage bear. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/200 "2017-04-12T13:39:09Z")
Well, at least it wasn’t silence. But once again, presented with a robust argument demonstrating that his position is wrong, [he reacts in his usual fashion](https://68.media.tumblr.com/feaa39633d6853abd7ab92d503f0fbb3/tumblr_inline_ohru3lwvFh1utrd2q_500.jpg). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422.md?page=11)