# Mr. Clothahump, if you will **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422 "2017-03-31T16:23:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/201 "2017-04-12T13:46:05Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > No. It’s been a week and a half of you wasting my time. But at least you were civil about it. > > There are no bear traps on my leg. Have a nice day. Hey guys, the turtle comes here to waste his own time, not to have you waste time for him. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/202 "2017-04-12T14:38:34Z")
**Clothahump** - did you miss this one? Address. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Do you similarly think that anyone criticizing someone for using “nigger” or “kike” is “whining”, a “snowflake”, and should “get a life”? ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/203 "2017-04-12T15:22:39Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > No. It’s been a week and a half of you wasting my time. But at least you were civil about it. > > There are no bear traps on my leg. Have a nice day. Y’know, as I was writing out my little aside to \*\*Same Bill \*\*and **Gyrate** , I thought to myself “I wonder if Clothahump will make some half-hearted response to \*this \*post, instead of [_the one I made directly to him_](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20130321&postcount=193)?” It was right there, just one post above. Had your name on it and all. Summed up the whole point of this thread. Not worth your time? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/204 "2017-04-12T17:54:28Z")
NC, it’s admirable how much you’re willing to accommodate Cloth by presenting him with detailed algorithms, but it’s way too much text to parse through. It’s like you adapted the Turing test for conservatives to see if they’re capable of passion and emotions. He doesn’t want to be the rat navigating your maze. I tried something similar with doorhinge a while back. He complained about the liberal media not presenting all sides to the story, and I tried to get him to explain how he could think that when there’s practically infinite ways to find all sides of the story courtesy of search engines. He just kept repeating himself. He hinged his door on what he thought was an absolute truth, and had no desire to deviate from the course. To do so would mean giving up his identity. Cloth is the same way. Inflexibility is strength. At least until the foundations give away. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/205 "2017-04-12T20:19:22Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > **Clothahump** - did you miss this one? > Address. He is on my ignore list. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/206 "2017-04-12T20:21:31Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Y’know, as I was writing out my little aside to \*\*Same Bill \*\*and **Gyrate** , I thought to myself “I wonder if Clothahump will make some half-hearted response to \*this \*post, instead of [_the one I made directly to him_](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20130321&postcount=193)?” > > It was right there, just one post above. Had your name on it and all. > Summed up the whole point of this thread. > Not worth your time? Had you asked me all of that up front, you wouldn’t have wasted my time. And I answered this a long time ago: I should not have made the post. Period. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/207 "2017-04-12T20:22:38Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > NC, it’s admirable how much you’re willing to accommodate Cloth by presenting him with detailed algorithms, but it’s way too much text to parse through. It’s like you adapted the Turing test for conservatives to see if they’re capable of passion and emotions. He doesn’t want to be the rat navigating your maze. > > I tried something similar with doorhinge a while back. He complained about the liberal media not presenting all sides to the story, and I tried to get him to explain how he could think that when there’s practically infinite ways to find all sides of the story courtesy of search engines. He just kept repeating himself. He hinged his door on what he thought was an absolute truth, and had no desire to deviate from the course. To do so would mean giving up his identity. Cloth is the same way. > > Inflexibility is strength. At least until the foundations give away. Another self-professed expert on my life chimes in, with another totally incorrect statement. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/208 "2017-04-12T20:53:24Z")
“I am right, and everyone else is an asshole. Now fuck off. \” Ya, this is the sign of a normal person. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/209 "2017-04-12T21:46:38Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Another self-professed expert on my life chimes in, with another totally incorrect statement. Protest, protest, protest, but not one word of correction. Got anything else you’d like to share, Gertrude? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/210 "2017-04-12T22:25:01Z")
Today I learned: some people are fucking stupid. No, not **Clothahump**. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/211 "2017-04-12T22:40:03Z")
What have we learned other than people will post stuff that they shouldn’t on the internet? ---
**Author:** ![kayT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayt/32/3633_2.png) [@kayT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayT)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/212 "2017-04-13T03:12:14Z")
Some of you are starting to make me feel sorry for **Clothahump**. Not the OP, though. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/213 "2017-04-13T03:25:31Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Had you asked me all of that up front . . . I did. In the OP. [At the start](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20105526&postcount=1). > [@Clothahump](#): > > . . . you wouldn’t have wasted my time. Also by you: > [@Clothahump](#): > > Again, I hope I clarified things. If I didn’t, keep hitting me for follow-ups until I do. > [@Clothahump](#): > > . . . And I answered this a long time ago: . . . There’s a possibility you actually think that statement is right, but it’s not. See below. > [@Clothahump](#): > > I should not have made the post. Period As I said, back on page 2, when I was trying to get you to _acknowledge your responsibility_ for the backlash you received for your unjustifiable snipe. > [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > I’m NOT asking whether you think you \*\*should \*\*or \*\*shouldn’t \*\*have made the post. > . . . But let’s take a look back at how you actually first responded to the questions and points I presented to you, “a long time ago”. (Bolding and underlining mine.) > [@Clothahump](#): > > . . . Now, having read through all the threads mentioned, I will say this: **my statement about liberals in general was correct**. However, that thread was not the correct place to make it. Mea culpa for that one. > > So… **isolating the statement by itself** and \*\*removing it from any context \*\*of the surrounding threads, **is my statement in and of itself correct**? > > Based upon the typical response to anything that I post, or statements made about me, **the answer is yes**. For example, let’s just look at some of the posts in this thread alone: > > . . . [Selected posts representing (mostly mild) “attacks” on Clothahump; redacted.] . . . . > > . . . **It is impossible to get a rational response out of the liberals on this board**. Or pretty much anywhere else for that matter. What I listed above were personal attacks and outright lies about me. Yeah, I know, it’s the Pit and all that, but **one can still wish and hope for at least an underlying grain of logic or common sense in a post**. That was your first response. Just an off-handed “Mea culpa” and a vague suggestion that your post – _while still correct!_ – was just placed on the wrong shelf. In fact almost your entire response was just an attempt to justify your statement. \*Nothing \*about acknowledging the logic of the posts preceding yours, nor the dishonesty in characterizing all those posters as illogical and belligerent, when (_by your own admission_) you hadn’t properly read the thread before posting. \*Nothing \*about the incorrectness of characterizing CosmicManic’s misogynist rant as “based in logic and fact” (\*your \*words) or the wrongness of siding with him against Helena330. Instead, you choose to pick out anything you see as an attack on you and ignore, block, or misread anyone actually offering you a logical argument. You see only what you want to. (_All lies and jests! Still, a man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest. Lie-la lie, lie-la lie, lie, lie_. . . ) Let’s look at your second attempt to provide a straight response: > [@Clothahump](#): > > I went back and re-read them both. That’s what made me acknowledge that my comment was wrong. I shouldn’t have made it. Hey, that looked promising! From “wrong place” to “my statement was wrong”. So, those other posters \*weren’t \*just being a bunch of dumb liberals? And you were wrong to characterize them as illogical and belligerent? And you were wrong to defend an unjustified misogynist attack on another poster? > [@Clothahump](#): > > Giving me a negative response is okay. Responding with NOTHING but personal attacks (ad hominem) \*\*simply indicates that what I posted was correct \*\*and the respondent can’t refute it. Hence the ad hominem. Right back to divesting yourself of any responsibility for the way people react to your behavior. And that’s what you’re doing again with your latest non-response. Avoiding the real issues put to you with minimal effort. I surely am wasting time, but not yours. The best you’ve been able to do here is begrudgingly acknowledge that \*maybe \*some of the flack you caught was due to your own poor posting behavior ([took](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20108559&postcount=45) [me](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20109381&postcount=56) [five](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20110181&postcount=68) [direct](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20110407&postcount=77) [posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20110743&postcount=84) to get you just to acknowledge that, and you \*STILL \*had to cage it with [self-justification](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20111899&postcount=106)), and then, finally, _four pages into this thread_, address the OP directly and acknowledge that **CosmicManiac** (whom you had sided with) was wrong and that the posters you maligned in the original pit thread were actually logical and justified in their responses to CosmicManiac (_I had to lay out the points to you upward of seven times to get you to finally address them_), and still you had to drop the following disingenuous remark. > [@Clothahump](#): > > I don’t know what you are trying to prove with all of this, and I’m not sure you do either. That is not a response someone gives if they are interested in honest discussion. That is a dismissal of everything the other person is presenting to you. It shows a complete inability or unwillingness to reflect upon anything that has been put to you. [Post 193](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20130321&postcount=193) is the summarization of the very point of this attempt at discussion with you. \*\*The point being: if you can acknowledge that your post in the original pit thread was _absolutely unjustifiable_ and that the flack you caught for it was deserved (and I’m not sure you’ve actually admitted this to yourself), then you should try to realize that it’s not just this one instance, but applies to your general behavior on this board and explains why you are held in such low esteem here. \*\* But if you can’t parse that, then maybe just consider the final question. > [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Do you even have an interest in belonging to this community? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/214 "2017-04-13T04:40:46Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > He is on my ignore list. This is the question from **iiandyiiii** : “Do you similarly think that anyone criticizing someone for using ‘nigger’ or ‘kike’ is ‘whining’, a ‘snowflake’, and should ‘get a life’?” ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/215 "2017-04-13T04:41:08Z")
**NC** You are one tenacious dude. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/216 "2017-04-13T06:00:55Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > He is on my ignore list. You put **iiandyiiii** on ignore? He’s one of the nicest, most patient posters here! Why do you bother posting here if you ignore people like him? Who’s _not_ on your list? ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/217 "2017-04-13T06:02:11Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > This is the question from **iiandyiiii** : > > “Do you similarly think that anyone criticizing someone for using ‘nigger’ or ‘kike’ is ‘whining’, a ‘snowflake’, and should ‘get a life’?” I made a similar point to him myself, though less succinctly than **iiandyiiii**. > [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > > [@Clothahump](#): > > > > I have used the term wetback. I’m from Texas; that’s what we Texans refer to them as. I most assuredly do not subscribe to political correctness. If snowflakes get all bent out of shape and want to whine about that term being an ethnic slur, my response, as always, is: get a life. There are more important things in the world to worry about. > > Yes, there are more important things to worry about. There always are. > There are more important things to do than argue with Dishonest Liberal Bullies in a Liberal Echo Chamber™. > > Your choice of language may seem a trifling thing to you, but to people who are not you, those ethnic slurs are hurtful, socially damaging, stigmatizing, and offensive. And it costs you nothing to mend your offensive language. > > As to the “get a life” response: For some people “wetback” or “nigger” or “kike” may just be a deeply hurtful denigration of their life and what they or their loved ones have struggled through in their effort to get a better life. > I know you can understand this if you care to, because you understand how damaging and unfair bullying is. (I say this NOT sarcastically.) > It’s not a matter of being “PC”, it’s a matter of being respectful. He didn’t respond. Ignore is the root of ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/218 "2017-04-13T06:05:14Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > **NC** You are one tenacious dude. [Kyle or Jack?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLr8gnYpVsg) ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/219 "2017-04-13T07:41:06Z")
On the remote chance I’m not on his ignore list I’d like cite this as BE apparently is blocked. I’m sure we all want to know this. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > On the remote chance I’m not on his ignore list: > > Clothahump: out of curiosity, what do you consider your finest moment on this board, in terms of the time you best presented your position in a logical, fact-supported manner? A simple link will do. Could somebody re-cite this after few days and so on until he answers… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/220 "2017-04-13T12:14:44Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > You put **iiandyiiii** on ignore? He’s one of the nicest, most patient posters here! Why do you bother posting here if you ignore people like him? Who’s _not_ on your list? Thank you for the kind words! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422.md?page=12)