# Mr. Clothahump, if you will **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422 "2017-03-31T16:23:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2017, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/241 "2017-04-16T21:23:32Z")
I’m pretty sure that **Clothahump** blocked me either immediately before or right after he was suspended… which means that he blocked me for asking him about his usage of ethnic slurs. Just to give everyone an idea of what counts as being obnoxious enough to ignore for Mr. **Clothy**. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/242 "2017-04-16T22:37:02Z")
He takes in the SDMB much the same way he forms his worldview and political opinions: by listening to what supports his existing beliefs and ignoring anything that contradicts them. Anyone who doesn’t post like a Fox News commentator would is probably on his ignore list. Since he isn’t going to find much information here that coincides with his existing belief he has resigned himself to being a pathetic troll - snatching what he thinks are small victories by pissing off the ‘libtards’ and ‘snowflakes.’ Sad. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/243 "2017-04-17T03:15:11Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Do you even have an interest in belonging to this community? > [@Clothahump](#): > > …business as usual here on the Derp. So… that’s a “no”, then? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/244 "2017-04-17T03:48:02Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > He takes in the SDMB much the same way he forms his worldview and political opinions: by listening to what supports his existing beliefs and ignoring anything that contradicts them. Anyone who doesn’t post like a Fox News commentator would is probably on his ignore list. > > Since he isn’t going to find much information here that coincides with his existing belief he has resigned himself to being a pathetic troll - snatching what he thinks are small victories by pissing off the ‘libtards’ and ‘snowflakes.’ Sad. Hey, if he wasn’t doing this, he’d be picking at scabs until he was covered in a mass of sores. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/245 "2017-04-17T12:42:13Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > As I have pointed out before, I have a life. I don’t hang around the SDMB breathlessly awaiting the next round of posts from liberals bashing me. I already acknowledged that of course you have a life away from the board (#45), although it doesn’t seem to stop you from dropping the occasional deuce in random threads. > [@](#): > > And I have explained why you are wrong. Really? I must have missed that post. > [@](#): > > And I am tired of this repetitive, nonsensical bullshit that you started, so _this_ post will be my last in the thread. I’m quite sure that y’all will have a grand time continuing to bash me, but guess what - that’s just business as usual here on the Derp. No. I’m not interested in continuing this if you are backing out of the discussion. Except perhaps to respond to some of the other contributors who have at least tried to offer suggestions for your behavior or have presented [pertinent queries and observation that you are apparently unwilling to address](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20136928&postcount=225). Also, since you insist on making your world as small as you can by blocking out opposing opinions while still feeling the need to vent your spleen on this board: > [@SaneBill](#): > > **Clothahump** , here’s a thought experiment for you. > > Take all of your life, all your successes, failures, experiences, expectations and hopes. All your ideals, conservatism, racism, hatred for liberals and people who think differently, just everything from the day you were born. > > Now move all that to Syria or Iraq, or somewhere in The Middle-east. Think that you’ve been living there all your life in that atmosphere and culture with your mindset. And now take a deep look at that resulting person. > > Then ask yourself this question: > Are you or are you not a member of ISIS ? ( **SaneBill** , I’m not actually sure he’s blocked you, and I honestly can’t see anything in your well-put posts that would merit blocking by any decent person, but just in case, allow me to repost your thought experiment. I’m pretty sure **Budget Player Cadet** is already on the list. I mean, if \*\*iiandyiiii \*\*can make the list, who can’t? . . . [Oh, right. The mods.:)]) > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m pretty sure that **Clothahump** blocked me either immediately before or right after he was suspended… which means that he blocked me for asking him about his usage of ethnic slurs. > > Just to give everyone an idea of what counts as being obnoxious enough to ignore for Mr. **Clothy**. > [@](#): > > Have a nice day. You too. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/246 "2017-04-17T13:15:41Z")
Well, **NC** , I appreciate you including me in your list of people who actually _tried_ to give an honest assessment of things. I’m a nobody here. I didn’t think my posts were noticed enough to land me on an ignore list, nor to be considered a voice of reason. I’m humbled. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/247 "2017-04-17T13:47:31Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > And this thread has done nothing to enlighten me on what he actually gets out of this message board. Well, not from the horse’s mouth, as it were. Although the horse doctors have presented some reasonable diagnoses. > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Well, what I got out of this thread is that **Not Carlson** is like the Energizer Bunny. He keeps going and going. He did get some responses, like **iiandyiii** before him. It would not surprise me if he’s now on **Clothy’s** ignore list though. I’m afraid I don’t have the same charm as the energizer bunny. I’m probably more like [this fella](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvHtKcS1POk). I’ve tried my level best to be civil and rational, so I’m guessing there’s a better than 50% chance he hasn’t blocked me yet. > [@Superdude](#): > > Well, **NC** , I appreciate you including me in your list of people who actually _tried_ to give an honest assessment of things. > > I’m a nobody here. I didn’t think my posts were noticed enough to land me on an ignore list, nor to be considered a voice of reason. I’m humbled. I think you hit the nail on the head with post [#55](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20109275&postcount=55), and with a far greater economy of words than me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/248 "2017-04-17T13:54:56Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > ( **SaneBill** , I’m not actually sure he’s blocked you, and I honestly can’t see anything in your well-put posts that would merit blocking by any decent person, but just in case, allow me to repost your thought experiment. I’m pretty sure **Budget Player Cadet** is already on the list. I mean, if \*\*iiandyiiii \*\*can make the list, who can’t? . . . [Oh, right. The mods.:)]) Two thoughts: 1. I fucking _hope_ so. It’d be a disappointment if I didn’t make the list. 2. For this reason alone I want to be a moderator here. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/249 "2017-04-17T15:08:27Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > allow me to repost your thought experiment. Thank you, I hair buy allow anyone to freely use this or any versions you may come up to with any person/persons you feel appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/250 "2017-04-17T15:50:23Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > [Oh, right. The mods.:)] For appropriate compensation, I would be happy to quote selected posts so **Precious Snowflake** will be compelled to see them.😉 (While I doubt anyone will take me seriously, for the record this is a _joke_). ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/251 "2017-04-17T20:28:02Z")
Oh no, I’d probably take you up on the that. It’s the Pit. We’re mean like that. Plus, you know, **Precious Snowflake.** 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/252 "2017-04-19T03:20:31Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > **OK. Great!** > Now, _finally_, we can get to the crux of the matter, which is this: > > If you can agree (with the posters before you) that **CosmicManiac** ’s comments were ridiculous, reprehensible and indefensible, > if you can now acknowledge that the posters before you were presenting rational comments in rebuke of CosmicManiac and in defense of **Helena330** , > and if you can now agree that Helena330 provided CosmicManiac with a charitable response to his nasty rant, > > . . . _then what in god’s good name made you feel the need to jump into that thread with a drive-by partisan snipe_, thereby taking the side of CosmicManiac \*against \*Helena330 and placing yourself in opposition to all those posters who had made rational and justified comments before you jumped in? > > If you claim you didn’t intend your post in support of CosmicManiac nor agree with his misogyny and mischaracterization of Helena330, then that means you can’t have properly read or understood the thread before you made your post. > If you say you didn’t mean your comment as a maligning of the specific posters who preceded you, then that means you chose to ignore those poster’s comments in favor of just making a blanket partisan attack on all. > > So what made you feel the need to make such an unwarranted, illogical and antisocial snipe [in that thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20100533&postcount=82)? > _Don’t_ tell me it’s Liberal bigotry, stupidity or dishonesty that compelled you to do it. Not after you have now admitted that the posts preceding yours were logical and justified, unlike your own post and unlike CosmicManiac whom you chose to side with. This seems kind of sneaky. In your question to C, you asked whether he agreed “that **some** of the comments posted before you stepped into the original Pit thread were actually quite rational”. But after he agreed to that statement, you repeatedly characterize that as agreement that “ **the posters** before you were presenting rational comments”, and “that **the posts** preceding yours were logical and justified”. (all emphasis added) Since your entire point is to accuse him of responding with hostility to rational posts, the difference between him agreeing that **all** the posts preceding his were rational and his agreeing that **some** of them were rational is highly significant. So my question to you is: why did you make this switch in language? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/253 "2017-04-19T11:31:20Z")
I’m not sure it was intentional, **F-P**. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/254 "2017-04-19T13:41:29Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > This seems kind of sneaky. > > In your question to C, you asked whether he agreed “that **some** of the comments posted before you stepped into the original Pit thread were actually quite rational”. But after he agreed to that statement, you repeatedly characterize that as agreement that “ **the posters** before you were presenting rational comments”, and “that **the posts** preceding yours were logical and justified”. (all emphasis added) > > Since your entire point is to accuse him of responding with hostility to rational posts, the difference between him agreeing that **all** the posts preceding his were rational and his agreeing that **some** of them were rational is highly significant. > > So my question to you is: why did you make this switch in language? Oh, hi **Fotheringay-Phipps**. Just to put things into perspective, the best I’ve been able to get out of **Clothahump** in this attempt at a discussion is "Yeah, but . . . " followed by “I don’t get what your trying to do here, and it’s waisting my time.” And you’re asking me why, 4 pages and multiple tedioudly worded posts into this thread, I chose to write "the posters before you were presenting rational comments " instead of “\*some of \*the posters before you were presenting rational comments”? But I’m not going to plead oversight here. It was a deliberste choice that I will own. I chose my words with intent, just as you have chosen to use the word “repeatedly” in your characterization of my words. Anyway, as to the why: My intent wasn’t to get Clothahump to acknowledge that he slipped up just this once by unjustifiably maligning some small handful of rational posters, but to get him to extrapolate this case to his general behavior on this board and why it earns him such disrespect. I chose to focus on that goal once Clothahump finally came around to acknowledging some degree of fault. If you think I was being sneaky or dishonest by not using precise words, then please note that I also didnt say “_all_ the posters before you were presenting rational comments”. Please also observe that the 1st part you take issue with is worded as part of a series of clauses . . . > [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Now, _finally_, we can get to the crux of the matter, which is this: > > If you can agree (with the posters before you) that **CosmicManiac** ’s comments were ridiculous, reprehensible and indefensible, > **if you can now acknowledge that the posters before you were presenting rational comments in rebuke of CosmicManiac and in defense of Helena330** , > and if you can now agree that Helena330 provided CosmicManiac with a charitable response to his nasty rant, . . . . . . intended to direct Clothahump to addressing the purpose of the thread (which he has refused to do). > [@](#): > > . . . _then what in god’s good name made you feel the need to jump into that thread with a drive-by partisan snipe_, thereby taking the side of CosmicManiac \*against \*Helena330 and placing yourself in opposition to all those posters who had made rational and justified comments before you jumped in? > . . . > **If you can, in honesty, acknowledge that in this one case your post was _fully unjustified_, and that the posters you maligned were in fact engaged in rational and justifiable posting before you stepped in to stir things up** , maybe you can begin to \*\*extrapolate that thought to your general behavior in this community. \*\* > Maybe stop and take a moment to think before you make your next drive-by anti-liberal jab. > Read the threads you post in before dismissing everyone else as illogical and dishonest. That behavior is so utterly insulting. > Take a moment to consider criticisms and contrary opinions before telling people to “fuck off” or putting them on ignore. > > Do you even have an interest in belonging to this community? But if you really want to insinuate that I’ve been unfair in my efforts to debate Clothahump, you should have challenged me on the following choice of words. > [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > The point being: if you can acknowledge that your post in the original pit thread was _ **absolutely unjustifiable** _ and that the flack you caught for it was deserved (and I’m not sure you’ve actually admitted this to yourself), then you should try to realize that it’s not just this one instance, but applies to your general behavior on this board and explains why you are held in such low esteem here. Now, Clothahump never actually acknowledged that his post was _“absolutely unjustifiable”_. Those are _my_ words, not his. But again, there is the clause _“if”_, for argument’s sake. If **Clothahump** had objections to how I presented that argument, he could have responded with his own clarification: “I don’t acknowledge that, and here’s why . . .” But instead he chose to walk out of the room. End result: I failed in my primary purpose. Conclusion: Clothahump is not interested in honest and rational discourse. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/255 "2017-04-19T13:44:16Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Conclusion: Clothahump is not interested in honest and rational discourse. To anyone just tuning in: this is the key takeaway from this thread. And any other thread where anyone has attempted anything similar. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/256 "2017-04-19T13:44:54Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I’m not sure it was intentional, **F-P**. Thank you, **Superdude**. I think \*\*Fotheringay-Phipps \*\*suspects I’ve been hiding my true intent and setting traps for **Clothahump** , when I’ve tried to be clear in laying out my objectives from the start. So his insinuations are, frankly, annoying. But I did in fact make a deliberate choice not to keep up with the constant qualification of “some posters” and “some posts” for the reasons explained above. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/257 "2017-04-19T14:07:25Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Thank you, **Superdude**. > I think \*\*Fotheringay-Phipps \*\*suspects I’ve been hiding my true intent and setting traps for **Clothahump** , when I’ve tried to be clear in laying out my objectives from the start. So his insinuations are, frankly, annoying. > But I did in fact make a deliberate choice not to keep up with the constant qualification of “some posters” and “some posts” for the reasons explained above. Makes perfect sense that **F-P** would take you to task for this. As often as not, **F-P** is a disingenuous jackass who takes his bat and ball home from an argument instead of admitting he’s wrong. So in a fundamental, but more rhetorically polished way,\*\* F-P\*\* is a kindred spirit of **Clot**. They can both fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/258 "2017-04-19T14:08:07Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > But I’m not going to plead oversight here. It was a deliberste choice that I will own. I chose my words with intent, just as you have chosen to use the word “repeatedly” in your characterization of my words. I see you’ve edited your post to remove the word “dubiously” (after “chosen”) that you wrote originally. But I don’t get your point here altogether. I wrote “repeatedly” because you had done it repeatedly, and I went on to quote the two instances that I noticed. I brought this up because your having done it repeatedly lessened the likelihood that it was an oversight. > [@](#): > > If you think I was being sneaky or dishonest by not using precise words, then please note that I also didnt say “_all_ the posters before you were presenting rational comments”. You didn’t say “all” but that’s the implication of leaving out “some”. Again, the context here was that you were accusing C of overreacting and stirring things up, and he’s already acknowledged that his post was not appropriate in that context. So what’s relevant is how completely inappropriate it was, and there’s a big difference in scale between posting about liberals etc. if some of the prior posts were non-rational posts than doing the same if none of them were. So getting him to agree with you by phrasing the question as being about whether some of the posts he responded to were rational and then characterizing his response as an agreement that “the posts” in general were rational is a very sneaky tactic. > [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > I think \*\*Fotheringay-Phipps \*\*suspects I’ve been hiding my true intent and setting traps for **Clothahump** , when I’ve tried to be clear in laying out my objectives from the start. What I think you’ve been doing is described in the final sentence of post #20 of this thread. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Makes perfect sense that **F-P** would take you to task for this. As often as not, **F-P** is a disingenuous jackass who takes his bat and ball home from an argument instead of admitting he’s wrong. So in a fundamental, but more rhetorically polished way,\*\* F-P\*\* is a kindred spirit of **Clot**. > > They can both fuck off. For some reason I don’t recall much of you or your posts. I may need to start paying more attention. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/259 "2017-04-19T14:15:08Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I don’t recall much of you or your posts. I may need to start paying more attention. It’s always the quiet ones. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/260 "2017-04-19T14:21:23Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > But you do raise up another good question. If your intention was to have a discussion without name calling etc., why _did_ you start the thread in the Pit? It’s almost like you’re inviting a pile-on by others, with you yourself remaining above it all. This is what F-P was referring to upthread. How else could NC had done it? If he had put this thread in another forum, it still would have resulted in a pile-on and the mods would have moved it here. Clothy isn’t the most popular Doper, ya know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422.md?page=14)