# Mr. Clothahump, if you will **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422 "2017-03-31T16:23:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/261 "2017-04-19T15:52:38Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I see you’ve edited your post to remove the word “dubiously” (after “chosen”) that you wrote originally. But I don’t get your point here altogether. I wrote “repeatedly” because you had done it repeatedly, and I went on to quote the two instances that I noticed. I brought this up because your having done it repeatedly lessened the likelihood that it was an oversight. Yes, I originally did write “as you have chosen \*\*dubiously \*\*to use the word \*“repeatedly” \*in your characterization of my words”. My point being that through 6 pages of this thread I have \*repeatedly \*tried to get Clothahump to see his mistakes by qualifying _“some posts”_ and _“some posters”_, etc. both before and after the one post you chose to pick out, yet that one post is where you choose to characterize my momentary dropping of that language as _“repeatedly”_. Given your previous insinuations, yes, I consider that dubious. > [@](#): > > You didn’t say “all” but that’s the implication of leaving out “some”. I can’t stop you from seeing what you want to see. I’ve explained why I chose to pare down my language and focus on the topic. > [@](#): > > Again, the context here was that you were accusing C of overreacting and stirring things up, That’s your interpretation of my intent. I think I’ve made enough effort to explain my intent already. Again, can’t stop you from seeing what you want to see. > [@](#): > > and he’s already acknowledged that his post was not appropriate in that context. What he has and hasn’t acknowledged is something I’ve already pointed out upthread. > [@](#): > > So what’s relevant is how completely inappropriate it was, and there’s a big difference in scale between posting about liberals etc. if some of the prior posts were non-rational posts than doing the same if none of them were. That’s what’s relevant to you? OK, you go and argue that if you want. But that ain’t the intent of this thread. See upthread. > [@](#): > > So getting him to agree with you by phrasing the question as being about whether some of the posts he responded to were rational and then characterizing his response as an agreement that “the posts” in general were rational is a very sneaky tactic. “Sneaky.” OK. Call me Mr. Sneaky. For, like, trying to get in the door rather than just leave my foot stuck there for eternity. > [@](#): > > What I think you’ve been doing is described in the final sentence of post #20 of this thread. Post 20? You mean your own post? As in “I described what I think you’re doing in my comment to you in Post 20.” As in the post where you insinuated that I was doing this as a self-righteous act of feigned civility while inviting others to carry out the lynching on my behalf? > [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > It’s almost like you’re inviting a pile-on by others, with you yourself remaining above it all. After I’d already stated: > [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > No, not looking for a pile-on, and hoping that doesn’t happen. Look, I know you don’t believe me, so what can I say? As to the suggestion of self-righteousness, I will confess that I do sometimes ride a high horse with my head up my own arse. It makes it quite hard to stay in the saddle. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/262 "2017-04-19T16:13:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Conclusion: Clothahump is not interested in honest and rational discourse he may not be capable, in fact ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/263 "2017-04-19T16:25:50Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Clothahump is not interested in honest and rational discourse. Except with fellow Trump supporters. Who, other then himself and a few others, don’t exist here. Why bother returning after that suspension? Is the desire to troll the vast majority of the board (i.e.: everyone, including other Republicans, who is _not_ a Trump supporter) really that strong? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/264 "2017-04-19T16:33:06Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Except with fellow Trump supporters. Who, other then himself and a few others, don’t exist here. Why bother returning after that suspension? Is the desire to troll the vast majority of the board (i.e.: everyone, including other Republicans, who is _not_ a Trump supporter) really that strong? He lives in [Houston](http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/city-life/08-12-14-most-liberal-conservative-cities-political-survey-economist/). > [@](#): > > Naturally, Austin took home the distinction as the most liberal big city in Texas, falling in near-lockstep with Philadelphia and St. Louis. Dallas and **Houston were the next most-liberal locales in the Lone Star State**. The only big city considered truly conservative was Arlington. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/265 "2017-04-19T16:34:40Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Yes, I originally did write “as you have chosen \*\*dubiously \*\*to use the word \*“repeatedly” \*in your characterization of my words”. My point being that through 6 pages of this thread I have \*repeatedly \*tried to get Clothahump to see his mistakes by qualifying _“some posts”_ and _“some posters”_, etc. both before and after the one post you chose to pick out, yet that one post is where you choose to characterize my momentary dropping of that language as _“repeatedly”_. I don’t understand what you’re saying here. It would be consistent with what I’ve said if you “\*repeatedly \*tried to get Clothahump to see his mistakes by qualifying _“some posts”_ and _“some posters”_, etc.” and only dropped the “some” qualifier after you got him to concede the point. The objective being to initially encourage his assent by lowering the bar, and then turning around and upping it again once you had that assent in hand and were looking to hammer him with it. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/266 "2017-04-19T16:58:32Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He lives in [Houston](http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/city-life/08-12-14-most-liberal-conservative-cities-political-survey-economist/). He better get used to being in the minority, then. Or, in his on words: > [@The most horrific photo I've ever seen](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-most-horrific-photo-ive-ever-seen/772927/18): > > suck it up, Buttercup. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/267 "2017-04-19T17:08:54Z")
Learning to “suck it up” is good advice for everybody, in general. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/268 "2017-04-19T17:12:47Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I don’t understand what you’re saying here. Not for my lack of trying. > [@](#): > > It would be consistent with what I’ve said if you “\*repeatedly \*tried to get Clothahump to see his mistakes by qualifying _“some posts”_ and _“some posters”_, etc.” and only dropped the “some” qualifier after you got him to concede the point. The objective being to initially encourage his assent by lowering the bar, and then turning around and upping it again once you had that assent in hand and were looking to hammer him with it. Raising the bar? I’ll cop to that. Keep the hammer to yourself. I haven’t hidden the fact that I wanted to start low and work upward and outward from there. I didn’t count on it taking 4 pages just to clear the low bar. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/269 "2017-04-19T17:23:20Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He lives in [Houston](http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/city-life/08-12-14-most-liberal-conservative-cities-political-survey-economist/). Prob’ly has a bunch of them libruls in his dojo, too. Can’t troll them, though, or he’ll lose business and/or windows so he does that here instead. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2017, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/270 "2017-04-20T03:10:10Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I see you’ve edited your post to remove the word “dubiously” (after “chosen”) that you wrote originally. But I don’t get your point here altogether. I wrote “repeatedly” because you had done it repeatedly, and I went on to quote the two instances that I noticed. I brought this up because your having done it repeatedly lessened the likelihood that it was an oversight. > You didn’t say “all” but that’s the implication of leaving out “some”. Again, the context here was that you were accusing C of overreacting and stirring things up, and he’s already acknowledged that his post was not appropriate in that context. So what’s relevant is how completely inappropriate it was, and there’s a big difference in scale between posting about liberals etc. if some of the prior posts were non-rational posts than doing the same if none of them were. > > So getting him to agree with you by phrasing the question as being about whether some of the posts he responded to were rational and then characterizing his response as an agreement that “the posts” in general were rational is a very sneaky tactic.What I think you’ve been doing is described in the final sentence of post #20 of this thread.For some reason I don’t recall much of you or your posts. I may need to start paying more attention. I think both you and Clothy are pretty silly for expecting every post in a reaction thread to one of Cameron’s socks (being a troll as usual) to even be serious, never mind rational. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/271 "2017-04-20T14:30:54Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > I think both you and Clothy are pretty silly for expecting every post in a reaction thread to one of Cameron’s socks (being a troll as usual) to even be serious, never mind rational. I think you’re pretty silly for assuming that I had that expectation. If you understood what I was saying you would have realized that there’s no implication in my post of whether that type of thread would be expected to have only serious posts. For that matter, there was also no implication about whether any, some, or all of the posts in that thread were in fact serious or otherwise. My comment was solely about how Not Carlson presented the issue when he asked clothahump about it versus how he later spun clothahump’s affirmative response to that question. The validity of the underlying facts are irrelevant to that issue. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/272 "2017-04-21T02:51:33Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I think you’re pretty silly for assuming that I had that expectation. > > If you understood what I was saying you would have realized that there’s no implication in my post of whether that type of thread would be expected to have only serious posts. For that matter, there was also no implication about whether any, some, or all of the posts in that thread were in fact serious or otherwise. > > My comment was solely about how Not Carlson presented the issue when he asked clothahump about it versus how he later spun clothahump’s affirmative response to that question. The validity of the underlying facts are irrelevant to that issue. Still silly. **Clothahump’s** non-sequitur and gratuitous insult to liberal posters, when you don’t in fact even have to be a liberal to want to pit Cameron, is just exemplary of the kind of thing that gets him so much shit from everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/273 "2017-04-21T02:53:34Z")
“Spun”? Cute.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/274 "2017-04-21T13:10:29Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > Still silly. **Clothahump’s** non-sequitur and gratuitous insult to liberal posters, when you don’t in fact even have to be a liberal to want to pit Cameron, is just exemplary of the kind of thing that gets him so much shit from everyone. Still the same. You’re either unable or unwilling to understand the discussion. OK. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/275 "2017-04-21T20:45:43Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > To anyone just tuning in: this is the key takeaway from this thread. And any other thread where anyone has attempted anything similar. I’m just driving by, and slowing down long enough to say we knew that years ago. Look up “shit post” in the dictionary. Check out the little picture next to it 😃 ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/276 "2017-04-22T02:39:45Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Still the same. You’re either unable or unwilling to understand the discussion. OK. Definitely unwilling. You’re not just silly, also stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/277 "2017-04-22T12:13:37Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Now, Clothahump never actually acknowledged that his post was _“absolutely unjustifiable”_. Those are _my_ words, not his. But again, there is the clause _“if”_, for argument’s sake. > If **Clothahump** had objections to how I presented that argument, he could have responded with his own clarification: “I don’t acknowledge that, and here’s why . . .” But instead he chose to walk out of the room. > > End result: I failed in my primary purpose. > Conclusion: Clothahump is not interested in honest and rational discourse. I’ll have to step back in on this. End result, NC, is - as I stated - that you wasted my time. I openly acknowledged that I should not have made the post. But that wasn’t good enough for you, as F-P has pointed out. And your conclusion is wrong. But you knew that when you started out. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/278 "2017-04-22T12:23:49Z")
[QUOTE=Clothahump] … [/QUOTE] \*[But the Clot came back](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bETCusT5kNM) the very next day, The Clot came back We thought he was a gonner, But the Clot came back He just couldn’t stay away… \* ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/279 "2017-04-22T14:32:15Z")
Hello again, **Clothahump**. > [@Clothahump](#): > > I’ll have to step back in on this. > > End result, NC, is - as I stated - that you wasted my time. I openly acknowledged that I should not have made the post. But that wasn’t good enough for you, as F-P has pointed out. Let’s see . . . > [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Saying “I shouldn’t have made the post” is a promising but ambiguous admission. > . . . [BUT] . . . > **I’m NOT asking whether you think you should or shouldn’t have made the post.** > . . . > (. . . I am actually hoping you \*will \*respond . . . with some introspective elaboration, and prove that you are capable of self-assessment and accepting responsibility for how others see you.) > . . . So, no. Your saying “mea culpa” or “Yes to everything, over and out! And quit wasting my time!!” is not enough for me. Because you haven’t answered the greater question. The very point of this attempt at discussion. > [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > . . . _what in god’s good name made you feel the need to jump into that thread with a drive-by partisan snipe_, thereby taking the side of CosmicManiac \*against \*Helena330 and placing yourself in opposition to all those posters who had made rational and justified comments before you jumped in? > . . . . . . > . . . what made you feel the need to make such an unwarranted, illogical and antisocial snipe [in that thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20100533&postcount=82)? > _Don’t_ tell me it’s Liberal bigotry, stupidity or dishonesty that compelled you to do it. Not after you have now admitted that the posts preceding yours were logical and justified, unlike your own post and unlike CosmicManiac whom you chose to side with. > No. What compelled you to make that post came from _inside you_. > . . . . . . > If you can, in honesty, acknowledge that in this one case your post was _fully unjustified_, and that the posters you maligned were in fact engaged in rational and justifiable posting before you stepped in to stir things up, maybe you can begin to extrapolate that thought to your general behavior in this community. > . . . . . . > Do you even have an interest in belonging to this community? . . . If you will. Also, > [@Clothahump](#): > > And your conclusion is wrong. But you knew that when you started out. I didn’t _have_ a conclusion when I started out. I had a _belief_ that you were not interested in honest and rational discourse, never having seen evidence to the contrary. I had a _tiny_ hope that you might prove otherwise, but you squished that through your constant refusal to address the whole point of this thread. Thus, my conclusion is that you are in fact not interested in honest and rational discourse. If you want to convince anyone otherwise, would you care to address either [Post #193](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20130321&postcount=193) (the whole point of the thread, spelt out as plainly as I can put it) or the individual challenges put to you by other posters here in this very thread, as catalogued in [Post #225](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20136928&postcount=225) (people rationally challenging you with issues that you don’t want to address)? Now’s your chance. And whilst you’re mulling it over, here’s some words from an “asshole” you decided to block out of your view: > [@Superdude](#): > > I’m not trying to insult you, or turn people against you. I’m not trying to disrespect you, either. I’m just trying to get you to realize how you come across to others. _The nerve of that guy!_ ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/280 "2017-04-22T17:13:10Z")
[Here is why Clot deserves and therefore gets absolutely no respect.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20153900&postcount=56) Comes into an Elections forum thread. Says something patently false and revoltingly stupid. Doesn’t bother responding to requests for cites or explanation of his ignorant opinion. Not that anybody still needs convincing of what kind of ignorant jackass Clot is. But it’s worth mentioning for the sake of posterity. Clot, you’re in your own precious snowflake category of stupid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422.md?page=15)