# Mr Gore's Nobel: Like the wife-beater winning for Shelters **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 12, 2007, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456 "2007-10-12T11:35:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/401 "2007-10-19T14:05:48Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] And you are in no position to determine a) how much he is actual responsible for in emissions, b) how much of that is necessary to achieve his goals, and therefore c) how much of a reduction is _possible_. [/quote] Yes I am. Admittedly it would be impossible to know beyond any doubt without auditing his records, but there is plenty of evidence to conclude that he could have emitted less over the past few years. > [@](#): > > But regardless of all that, you still acknowledge that he invests in offsets for the remainder, so you must acknowledge that he does what he asks of others. No – if we assume for the sake of argument that he has not reduced his emissions as much as possible, it follows that he is not doing what he seems to be asking from others. > [@](#): > > Right wing think tanks and Sean Hannity will not provide you with the information you need to assess either a, b or c above. Until you do, you cannot make any determination as to how much of a hypocrite Gore might or might not be. And if you find your husband naked in bed with another woman you cannot be sure that he’s cheating on you. Maybe he’s just “doing research” or something. > [@](#): > > As a result, your contributions here are less valuable than the energy it takes to generate, display and store them. May I suggest you start right here in your own efforts to reduce the energy consumption you are resposible for? I will certainly stop responding to your statements if you stop posting them. By the way, you still haven’t told me which “falsehoods” I supposedly keep repeating. ---
**Author:** ![initech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/439d5e/32.png) [@initech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/initech)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/402 "2007-10-19T15:04:29Z")
(psst. **brazil84**. he beat you. you should stop now.) ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/403 "2007-10-19T15:08:46Z")
[QUOTE=initech] (psst. **brazil84**. he beat you. [/quote] Pssst. I disagree. But perhaps you can tell me what exactly are these “falsehoods” that I keep repeating. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/404 "2007-10-19T15:10:10Z")
[QUOTE=initech] (psst. **brazil84**. he beat you. you should stop now.) [/QUOTE] He will never stop. Look at the posting record. He has done this in several threads related to AGW. ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/405 "2007-10-19T15:24:57Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Which statement? And what about it? [/quote] Your reading comprehension is not my responsibility. If you really care about explaining yourself, go back and re-read this thread and get back to me when you’ve figured it out. > [@](#): > > Then why did you seem to claim that one side is talking about science and one side is casting aspersions? What does that have to do with anything? Because it is a fact that you, specifically, are casting aspersion and trying to slander the name of Nobel Laureate Al Gore for some obscure political purpose. People like **jshore** , for example, are talking about science. Why do you hate science and Nobel Laureate Al Gore so much? > [@](#): > > And Gore is setting a bad example. You’re wrong. The Nobel Peace Prize Committee thought he was setting such a good example that they awarded him half of the Nobel Peace Prize. The IPCC did the science, and he spread the word. > [@](#): > > If you feel that your views don’t matter, then why are you posting them in this thread? Because you’re slandering and casting aspersions on Nobel Peace Prize winner Al Gore, who is a genuine American hero, and I’m not going to let that stand. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/406 "2007-10-19T15:25:25Z")
[QUOTE=intention] jshore, I don’t know how many times I have to say it, but I will persevere. I say again, the first step I have repeatedly advocated is the “Three R’s” … Reduce, Reuse, Recycle. I think that we should reduce our consumption in all areas, particularly energy. Conservation is always cheaper than new production. You have accused me of not advocating anything that Mobil doesn’t want … how many times have you heard Mobil say we should cut our gasoline consumption? [/QUOTE] Okay, let’s actually see what [ExxonMobil says publicly](http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/energy_climate_views.aspx): > [@](#): > > There is increasing evidence that the earth’s climate has warmed on average about 0.7 C in the last century. Many global ecosystems, especially the polar areas, are showing signs of warming. CO2 emissions have increased during this same time period — and emissions from fossil fuels and land use changes are one source of these emissions. > > Climate remains today an extraordinarily complex area of scientific study. The risks to society and ecosystems from increases in CO2 emissions could prove to be significant — so despite the areas of uncertainty that do exist, it is prudent to develop and implement strategies that address the risks, keeping in mind the central importance of energy to the economies of the world. > > This includes putting policies in place that start us on a path to reduce emissions, while understanding the context of managing carbon emissions among other important world priorities, such as economic development, poverty eradication and public health. > > While this long-term objective is pursued, near-term objectives should include supporting climate research while pacing policy responses; promoting energy efficiency; deploying existing technologies that reduce greenhouse gas emissions; and supporting research and development of new, low-GHG technologies. > > … > > For our part, ExxonMobil is taking action to mitigate greenhouse gas emissions today and to support the development of advanced energy technologies with the potential to significantly reduce future emissions. These include: > > Working with manufacturers of automobiles and commercial industrial engines on research and development programs that could yield fuel-economy improvements in internal combustion engines by as much as 30%, with lower corresponding emissions. > > … You can read the whole thing on that webpage. But, on the basis of this, I would say that Exxon, at least in its public announcements, is actually considerably ahead of you in accepting the science of climate change and expressing a willingness to take actions to reduce greenhouse gas emissions! ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/407 "2007-10-19T15:41:53Z")
[QUOTE=vibrotronica] Your reading comprehension is not my responsibility. If you really care about explaining yourself, go back and re-read this thread and get back to me when you’ve figured it out. [/quote] If you don’t understand something I said, please use the quote feature. I’m not gonna waste my time trying to guess. > [@](#): > > Because it is a fact that you, specifically, are casting aspersion and trying to slander the name of Nobel Laureate Al Gore I suppose that one man’s legitimate criticism is another man’s slander. I wonder when I can expect Al Gore to sue me for slandering him. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Why do you hate science and Nobel Laureate Al Gore so much? Why do you assume that I do? I don’t hate “science”; and while I have a negative opinion of Al Gore, I don’t particularly hate him. > [@](#): > > Because you’re slandering and casting aspersions on Nobel Peace Prize winner Al Gore, who is a genuine American hero, and I’m not going to let that stand. So what? By your own statement, your views don’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/408 "2007-10-19T15:45:23Z")
By god, you’re going to hang this jury, aren’t you? I think I just can’t understand your position. I swear I am trying. But it’s like boxing the wind. ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/409 "2007-10-19T16:05:34Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] If you don’t understand something I said, please use the quote feature. I’m not gonna waste my time trying to guess. [/quote] I already did that, and you didn’t seem to be able to rephrase your question. I can understand how pressed for time you are, with so many aspersions to cast and so much slandering to do. > [@](#): > > I suppose that one man’s legitimate criticism is another man’s slander. I wonder when I can expect Al Gore to sue me for slandering him. Soon, I hope. > [@](#): > > :rolleyes: Don’t you roll your eyes at me. You can just cool it with the personal attacks and disrespect toward other posters. It’s bad enough that you would slander and cast aspersions on Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Al Gore, but now you have spread your personal attacks to other posters, and it’s quite unseemly. > [@](#): > > Why do you assume that I do? I don’t hate “science”; and while I have a negative opinion of Al Gore, I don’t particularly hate him. Sure looks like it to me. You’re posted several hateful comments about Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Al Gore in this thread. Why do you hate him and then deny your hatred for him? Are you ashamed? > [@](#): > > So what? By your own statement, your views don’t matter. Maybe not, but I agree with the Nobel Peace Prize Committee, who awarded Al Gore a share of the Nobel Peace Prize for his tireless work to alert the world to the dangers of man-made global warming. For some reason, you agree with his political opponents, who reacted to the news of Gore’s Peace Prize with a campaign of slander, smear and aspersions. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/410 "2007-10-19T16:12:56Z")
[QUOTE=vibrotronica] I already did that, and you didn’t seem to be able to rephrase your question. [/quote] I have no idea what you are talking about. > [@](#): > > I can understand how pressed for time you are, with so many aspersions to cast and so much slandering to do. Please take your personal attacks elsewhere. Thank you. > [@](#): > > Soon, I hope. I hope so too. I’ll say again it for the record: Al Gore is a hypocrite and not worthy to receive the Nobel Piece Prize. > [@](#): > > It’s bad enough that you would slander and cast aspersions on Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Al Gore, but now you have spread your personal attacks to other posters, and it’s quite unseemly. Exactly which other poster did I attack personally? And in which post did I do it? > [@](#): > > You’re posted several hateful comments about Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Al Gore in this thread. One man’s hateful comment is another man’s legitimate criticism. > [@](#): > > Maybe not, but I agree with the Nobel Peace Prize Committee, And I disagree. ---
**Author:** ![initech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/439d5e/32.png) [@initech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/initech)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/411 "2007-10-19T16:13:05Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Pssst. I disagree. But perhaps you can tell me what exactly are these “falsehoods” that I keep repeating. [/QUOTE] No. They’ve been pointed out to you repeatedly; you ignore them. You’ve posted well over 100 times, just in this thread. You have failed to convince me that Al Gore is anything less than one of our very best citizens, and you have failed to convince me that your position is somehow more credible than that of the Nobel Prize committee. Enough’s enough. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/412 "2007-10-19T16:16:13Z")
[QUOTE=initech] No. They’ve been pointed out to you repeatedly; you ignore them. You’ve posted well over 100 times, just in this thread. You have failed to convince me that Al Gore is anything less than one of our very best citizens, and you have failed to convince me that your position is somehow more credible than that of the Nobel Prize committee. Enough’s enough. [/QUOTE] Actually, in reading more into Al Gore and what he is actually doing, this thread has improved my opinion of him. Maybe that was **brazil84** ’s intention all along. Maybe this is like a Steven Colbert skit for him. Adding Geo-Thermal is a more expensive and more drastic step than adding Solar Panels. I know this well. I cannot afford to add Geo-thermal. Jim ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/413 "2007-10-19T16:16:46Z")
[QUOTE=initech] No. They’ve been pointed out to you repeatedly; you ignore them. [/quote] What’s the most recent post in which my “falsehoods” were specifically pointed out? > [@](#): > > You have failed to convince me that Al Gore is anything less than one of our very best citizens, and you have failed to convince me that your position is somehow more credible than that of the Nobel Prize committee. If you have considered all the arguments and reached that conclusion, you are free to stop participating in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/414 "2007-10-19T16:33:55Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Please take your personal attacks elsewhere. Thank you. [/QUOTE] In hockey, you can be penalized if you take a dive in an effort to make it look like an opponent has committed some type of infraction against you when he has not. I’m beginning to think we need something similar here on the SDMB - some sort of “crying wolf” kind of moderator warning. (I have no doubt that this will draw another iteration of “Please take your personal attacks elsewhere.”) ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/415 "2007-10-19T16:36:55Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] I have no idea what you are talking about. [/quote] Try harder. > [@](#): > > Please take your personal attacks elsewhere. Thank you. I am not attacking you, I am pointing out that you have repeatedly slandered and cast aspersions on the character of Nobel Laureate Al Gore. Are you so ashamed of your behavior that you would deny it? > [@](#): > > I hope so too. I’ll say again it for the record: Al Gore is a hypocrite and not worthy to receive the Nobel Piece Prize. For the record, you’re totally wrong. Please stop slandering Nobel Laureate Al Gore. You’re embarassing yourself, and making me feel embarassed for you. The fact is, that the Nobel committee thought he was worthy of sharing the Nobel Peace Prize with the IPCC. They did the science, he spread the word. > [@](#): > > Exactly which other poster did I attack personally? And in which post did I do it? You attacked me and other posters. It’s not my responsibility to dredge up your vile hateful slanders. I find them unseemly. > [@](#): > > One man’s hateful comment is another man’s legitimate criticism. No, you made hateful comments, not legitimate criticisms. In fact, you just did it again. > [@](#): > > And I disagree. So what? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/416 "2007-10-19T16:41:01Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] In hockey, you can be penalized if you take a dive in an effort to make it look like an opponent has committed some type of infraction against you when he has not. I’m beginning to think we need something similar here on the SDMB - some sort of “crying wolf” kind of moderator warning. (I have no doubt that this will draw another iteration of “Please take your personal attacks elsewhere.”) [/QUOTE] Haha. I guess you’re giving up on actually trying to defend Gore. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/417 "2007-10-19T16:45:37Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Haha. I guess you’re giving up on actually trying to defend Gore. [/QUOTE] Since I’ve already won, what’s the point in going on further? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/418 "2007-10-19T16:49:25Z")
[QUOTE=vibrotronica] Try harder. [/quote] No. > [@](#): > > For the record, you’re totally wrong. Please stop slandering Nobel Laureate Al Gore. If he feels I’m slandering him, he’s free to sue me. > [@](#): > > You attacked me and other posters. It’s not my responsibility to dredge up your vile hateful slanders. I find them unseemly. i.e. you can’t support your accusation. ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/419 "2007-10-19T16:50:16Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Haha. I guess you’re giving up on actually trying to defend Gore. [/QUOTE] Please stop your disrespectful taunting of other posters. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456/420 "2007-10-19T16:50:57Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] Since I’ve already won, what’s the point in going on further? [/QUOTE] If you think the debate is over, you are free to stop posting to the thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-gores-nobel-like-the-wife-beater-winning-for-shelters/422456.md?page=22)