# Mr. Spock can go to Hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 23, 2021, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364 "2021-08-23T12:08:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/1 "2021-08-23T12:08:27Z")
…at least according to creationist Ken Ham: > [@](#): > > Creationist [Ken Ham](https://www.huffpost.com/topic/ken-ham), who built a giant non-floating “Noah’s Ark” themed attraction in Kentucky, says he doesn’t think there’s life outside of Earth. > > And if such life existed, they shouldn’t expect any form of salvation from Jesus Christ. > > “Jesus came to save us, not to another planet to save another race of beings,” [he wrote on Twitter](https://twitter.com/aigkenham/status/1429043726932971521), adding that it’s clear “salvation through Christ is only for the Adamic race,” aka human earthlings. > > On the bright side, however, he said they won’t need redemption anyway… since they don’t exist. The Bible, according to his strict interpretation, says only Earth was made to be inhabited “and the other celestial bodies were created for signs, seasons, days, and years,” [he wrote](https://twitter.com/aigkenham/status/1429043725775290375). > > Ham was responding to [a recent poll](https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/08/19/religious-americans-intelligent-life-ufos/) that found deeply religious Americans are less likely to believe in intelligent life outside of Earth. > > But he’s made similar comments before, [writing in 2014](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ken-ham-aliens-go-to-hell_n_5608368): “Jesus did not become the ‘GodKlingon’ or the ‘GodMartian’! Only descendants of Adam can be saved.” That seems kinda harsh, considering how Spock sacrificed himself at the end of **Star Trek II**. Or the way Klaatu died for our sins in **The Day the Earth Stood Still.** > **[E.T., Phone Hell? Creationist Ken Ham Says Jesus Can't Save Space Aliens](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ken-ham-aliens-cant-be-saved_n_612327cae4b029c152b61ea6)** > > The Noah's Ark guy is being rude to extraterrestrials ... again. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/2 "2021-08-23T12:17:07Z")
I can’t really get into this pitting. I’m skeptical about the existence of aliens too, but for different reasons. There’s better fodder for goofing on creationists. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/3 "2021-08-23T12:21:14Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/JJXzAqqC7wY/maxresdefault.jpg "Mass Effect 3: "Does this unit have a soul?"") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJXzAqqC7wY) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/4 "2021-08-23T12:25:26Z")
If there really is a god, I bet it’s not a fan of those who claim to be able to speak for it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/5 "2021-08-23T12:37:34Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > “Jesus came to save us, not to another planet to save another race of beings,” [he wrote on Twitter](https://twitter.com/aigkenham/status/1429043726932971521), How would Ken Ham know? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/6 "2021-08-23T12:47:51Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > If there really is a god, I bet it’s not a fan of those who claim to be able to speak for it. - What’s the point of being a god if you don’t smite those types? ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/7 "2021-08-23T12:56:20Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I can’t really get into this pitting. I’m skeptical about the existence of aliens too, but for different reasons. There’s better fodder for goofing on creationists. That’;s because you’re missing the point. It’s not just that extraterrestrials don’t exist. Ham says authoritatively that even if they existed, God wouldn’t save them. He’s human-chauvinist. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/8 "2021-08-23T12:59:38Z")
But wait—Mr. Spock was half human, so can’t that half at least be saved? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/9 "2021-08-23T13:01:12Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > That’;s because you’re missing the point. It’s not just that extraterrestrials don’t exist. Ham says authoritatively that even if they existed, God wouldn’t save them. Perfect fodder for a _Far Side_ cartoon right there. Picture a group of extraterrestrials saying their God won’t save Ken Ham. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/10 "2021-08-23T13:17:28Z")
No, I get the point. It’s that he’s based his disbelief in something fictional with something fictional. I just see it as more of an irony than a pittable issue. ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/11 "2021-08-23T13:33:32Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > > [@CalMeacham](#): > > > > “Jesus came to save us, not to another planet to save another race of beings,” [he wrote on Twitter](https://twitter.com/aigkenham/status/1429043726932971521), > > How would Ken Ham know? I can guarantee the list of things Ken Ham doesn’t know, but is willing to speak authoritatively about, is quite long indeed… ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/12 "2021-08-23T13:45:41Z")
It was, I believe, Carrie Vaughn with a short story where not only is there indisputable proof that God exists, it is discovered that all of Creation is for the benefit of some specific extraterrestrials and humanity is a mere by-product. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/13 "2021-08-23T13:48:44Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > No, I get the point. It’s that he’s based his disbelief in something fictional with something fictional. I just see it as more of an irony than a pittable issue. Hey, now… 🧐 Are you saying this Ken Ham guy isn’t being scientifical?? ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/14 "2021-08-23T14:03:29Z")
Sounds like a good reason to go to hell - I’ll get to hang out with aliens. Where did I put that baby for this weekend’s sacrifice? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/15 "2021-08-23T14:54:35Z")
Check with Hillary. I think she has the list. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/16 "2021-08-23T15:00:56Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Hey, now… 🧐 Are you saying this Ken Ham guy isn’t being scientifical?? Well, he didn’t invoke Intelligent Design. 🙈 🙉 🙊 ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/17 "2021-08-23T15:02:59Z")
“salvation through Christ is only for **the Adamic race** ,” While this can be seen as an enlightened view on race in the end it’s just another excuse to call “evolutionists” racists, [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/a5ujsNj_S7g/maxresdefault.jpg "There’s NO Such Thing as “Black” or “White” People | Ken Ham") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5ujsNj_S7g) I’m quite certain Mr Ham has had the period usage of the word _race_ explained to him . . . many times. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/18 "2021-08-23T15:15:53Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > There’s better fodder for goofing on creationists. For example, Ham’s theory that > …the other celestial bodies were created for signs, seasons, days, and years. So the universe was created as a giant Orrery for us… ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/19 "2021-08-23T15:16:34Z")
It sounds a lot like Ted Chiang’s “[Omphalos](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_(story))” where there is nigh indisputable evidence of Young Earth Creationism but also nigh indisputable evidence the Earth is a by-product and the center of Creation is another planet in a different solar system. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/20 "2021-08-23T15:18:34Z")
> [@Ken Ham](#): > > …the other celestial bodies were created for signs, seasons, days, and years. Ken’s just a short step away from being a Flat Earther! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364.md?page=2)