# Mr. Spock can go to Hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 23, 2021, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364 "2021-08-23T12:08:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/21 "2021-08-23T15:57:04Z")
I suggest we send a Jesuit to exorcise Vulcan forthwith. If it blows up, we’ll know. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/22 "2021-08-23T16:04:33Z")
A Jesuit would probably decide to stay. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/23 "2021-08-23T16:05:42Z")
Not if you [pick the right one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Case_of_Conscience). ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/24 "2021-08-23T16:07:30Z")
That was probably it, then ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/25 "2021-08-23T16:15:58Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > A Jesuit would probably decide to stay. There’s a Vulcan monastery on P’Jem and I could see a Jesuit falling in love with it. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/26 "2021-08-23T16:17:19Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > For example, Ham’s theory that > > > …the other celestial bodies were created for signs, seasons, days, and years. > > So the universe was created as a giant Orrery for us… Wow, that was quite an extra effort by god. You would think he/she could have made the universe billions of times smaller if that was the goal. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/27 "2021-08-23T16:37:08Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > For example, Ham’s theory that > > > …the other celestial bodies were created for signs, seasons, days, and years. Yeah. Sounds like a firm endorsement of horoscopic astrology and astral divination in general. The other planets in our solar system have nothing to do with terrestrial timekeeping, and the only reason to regard them as “signs” is if you believe they’re exercising some occult influence over human lives and/or are conveying messages from a supernatural being. I thought fundamentalist Christians frowned on that sort of divinatory practices. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/28 "2021-08-23T16:54:41Z")
Ken, don’t tell God what he can do. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/29 "2021-08-23T17:36:02Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Ham was responding to [a recent poll that found deeply religious Americans are less likely to believe in intelligent life outside of Earth. Because they encounter so little of it around them. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/30 "2021-08-23T18:20:30Z")
Col 1 16x,20x. "For in him all things were created(: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible,) "…and through him to reconcile to himself all things, (whether things on earth or things in heaven, )by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. Seems like Mr Spock would be included in that and by the exact same method as us. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/31 "2021-08-23T18:35:30Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > You would think he/she could have made the universe billions of times smaller if that was the goal. Easily resolved: > ‘But the whole universe is outside us. Look at the stars! Some of them are a million light-years away. They are out of our reach for ever.’ > > ‘What are the stars?’ said O’Brien indifferently. ‘They are bits of fire a few kilometres away. We could reach them if we wanted to. Or we could blot them out. The earth is the centre of the universe. The sun and the stars go round it.’ > > (…) > > ‘For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do you suppose it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? **Have you forgotten doublethink?** ’ (Bolding added.) And I think it was a Jesuit who, when asked about intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe, replied that if such an alien race were discovered the next step would be to determine whether they had souls; and if they did, make an effort to baptize them into the Church. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/32 "2021-08-23T18:56:56Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Col 1 16x,20x. "For in him all things were created(: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible,) "…and through him to reconcile to himself all things, (whether things on earth or things in heaven, )by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. > > Seems like Mr Spock would be included in that and by the exact same method as us. Umm, Mr. Spock isn’t a descendant of Adam so he has no original sin. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/33 "2021-08-23T19:04:07Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Umm, Mr. Spock isn’t a descendant of Adam so he has no original sin. If one believes that all humans are descendents of Adam (as Ken Ham does), then, as Spock is half-human (the son of a human female, from Earth, and a Vulcan male), then he would qualify. If one doesn’t believe that all humans are descendents of Adam, then original sin isn’t likely an issue, anyway. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ranch\_Dip](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranch_dip/32/5238_2.png) [@Ranch\_Dip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranch_Dip)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/34 "2021-08-23T19:04:21Z")
It’s almost as if he doesn’t know that Spock is fictional. I’m not sure that you can make that case from the Bible. The fact that it doesn’t mention other races, doesn’t mean that they don’t exist, or if they do that they are excluded from Salvation. Or that they need it. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/35 "2021-08-23T19:07:08Z")
I’m going with ‘Mr. Spock is a stand in for generic alien’ . . . 'cause there’s no way I wasn’t remembering that Spock is half human. 😳 ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/36 "2021-08-23T19:20:40Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Wow, that was quite an extra effort by god. You would think he/she could have made the universe billions of times smaller if that was the goal. Well, god works in mysterious ways that we can’t possibly fathom. We cannot know the mind of god\* and so we should not ask such questions. \*Except when it comes to gays, transgenders, abortion, guns, immigrants, taxes, socialism, liberals etc. In those cases we know exactly what God thinks, which, as it happens, coincides perfectly with what we think. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/37 "2021-08-23T20:09:34Z")
> [@Ranch\_Dip](#): > > It’s almost as if he doesn’t know that Spock is fictional. Unless I missed it, it was @CalMeacham (this thread’s OP), not Ken Ham, who specifically brought up Mr. Spock. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/38 "2021-08-23T20:27:06Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > If one believes that all humans are descendents of Adam (as Ken Ham does), I’m curious how this works. There are clearly people on Earth who are not decended from Adam and Eve like the people of Nod where Cane gets his wife from. How do they relate to this whole race of Adam thing? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/39 "2021-08-23T20:32:50Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > There are clearly people on Earth who are not decended from Adam and Eve like the people of Nod where Cane gets his wife from. How do they relate to this whole race of Adam thing? My understanding has always been that Fundamentalist Christians believe that Adam and Eve were the first humans, and thus, _all_ people are descended from them. I’m sure that there is some fundamentalist explanation for Cain’s wife that still squares with “Adam and Eve were the first humans,” but I’m not sure what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364/40 "2021-08-23T20:36:49Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > I’m sure that there is some fundamentalist explanation for Cain’s wife that still squares with “Adam and Eve were the first humans,” but I’m not sure what it is. God created Adam and Eve, Adam and Eve created Cain and Able, Cain slew Able. In theory there was 1 person left at that point. Then Cain goes to Nod gets married and has a kid. I’ve never seen an explanation of where the wife came from or how she had original sin. Maybe this ties back to aliens. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-spock-can-go-to-hell/949364.md?page=3)