# Mrs Clinton's vulnerabilities which could be exploited in a Primary **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 23, 2015, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-clintons-vulnerabilities-which-could-be-exploited-in-a-primary/718376 "2015-04-23T18:45:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-clintons-vulnerabilities-which-could-be-exploited-in-a-primary/718376/141 "2015-04-30T14:21:31Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Dumb wars are wars that we lost or where the costs vastly exceeded what we were trying to accomplish. Only two wars meet that standard: Vietnam and Iraq. So the Dems and Reps are tied 1-1. > > But if you want to attack candidate Christie by saying, “He’ll get us into another Grenada!” then I’ll just counter with “Clinton will get us into another Libya!” So, you remember the barracks in Beruit that was bombed, and all the US Marines who were killed, during Reagan? Did the cost exceed what we were trying to accomplish? Did we win? (hint: Ronnie quietly tucked his tail between his legs and slunk us home) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-clintons-vulnerabilities-which-could-be-exploited-in-a-primary/718376/142 "2015-04-30T18:15:37Z")
And invaded Grenada within a day or two - the quintessential dog-wag. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-clintons-vulnerabilities-which-could-be-exploited-in-a-primary/718376/143 "2015-04-30T18:18:20Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Whether or not we go to war has everything to do with Iran and little to do with us at this point. If it’s going to happen, it will happen regardless of who wins in 2016. “Now look what you made me do!” is not a respectable excuse from even an eight year old. “We are pre-empting them from making war against us” was the Japanese justification for Pearl Harbor. No excuses - if we “bomb, bomb Iran”, it would be a matter of OUR choice. You need to accept responsibility for your actions. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-clintons-vulnerabilities-which-could-be-exploited-in-a-primary/718376/144 "2015-04-30T18:19:38Z")
Why would you think Hillary, the most trigger-happy prominent Democrat in the last forty years, the #1 driver of the Patriot Act and Iraq war in the Senate, the person who has been threatening Iran with nuclear annihilation for seven years, would make any decisions about the use of military force differently than what Reagan or Bush did? If you think she is a popular candidate among pacifists you are sorely mistaken. If anything, she is counting on the fact that she never met a war she didn’t like to bolster her support among national security voters, especially if she matches up with Rand Paul. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-clintons-vulnerabilities-which-could-be-exploited-in-a-primary/718376/145 "2015-04-30T18:22:16Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Hillary, the most trigger-happy prominent Democrat in the last forty years Oh, is \*that \*going to be this round’s version of “Kerry’s the most liberal member of the Senate”? Good, I was wondering. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-clintons-vulnerabilities-which-could-be-exploited-in-a-primary/718376/146 "2015-04-30T18:26:09Z")
It’s going to be funny watching you furiously disavow that you ever denied Hillary’s warmongering credentials once the left opposition is neutralized and she’s bragging about her war votes to defeat a Republican. This is my placeholder for quoting this exchange in August 2016 and laughing. See you then. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-clintons-vulnerabilities-which-could-be-exploited-in-a-primary/718376/147 "2015-04-30T18:38:55Z")
When you can show you understand the difference between starting a war and deterring one, your views on the subject can start to be taken seriously. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-clintons-vulnerabilities-which-could-be-exploited-in-a-primary/718376/148 "2015-04-30T20:41:41Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > Why would you think Hillary, the most trigger-happy prominent Democrat in the last forty years, the #1 driver of the Patriot Act and Iraq war in the Senate, the person who has been threatening Iran with nuclear annihilation for seven years, would make any decisions about the use of military force differently than what Reagan or Bush did? What makes you think she would make any decisions about the use of military force differently than what Obama did? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-clintons-vulnerabilities-which-could-be-exploited-in-a-primary/718376/149 "2015-04-30T20:43:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Whether or not we go to war has everything to do with Iran and little to do with us at this point. If it’s going to happen, it will happen regardless of who wins in 2016. > [@adaher](#): > > It is US policy to not allow Iran to have a nuke. If Iran gets close enough to break out, we attack. That’s our policy and there’s been no indication in any change of that policy. > [@adaher](#): > > If that is the only way to stop them, that is our policy. Allowing them to have a nuke is not our policy. Policy is not law. Any POTUS is free to change a policy at any time. Yes, what happens would depend on who wins in 2016. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-clintons-vulnerabilities-which-could-be-exploited-in-a-primary/718376/150 "2015-04-30T20:48:20Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What makes you think she would make any decisions about the use of military force differently than what Obama did? She’s a woman. So, you know, [hormones](http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/20/opinions/robbins-hillary-clinton/). ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-clintons-vulnerabilities-which-could-be-exploited-in-a-primary/718376/151 "2015-04-30T21:19:03Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Policy is not law. Any POTUS is free to change a policy at any time. Yes, what happens would depend on who wins in 2016. I agree – whether Democrats continue the “the President can do anything he wants, Congressional elections have no consequences, and any elected official who disagrees with the President is being an ‘obstructionist’” dance most definitely does depend on who wins in 2016. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-clintons-vulnerabilities-which-could-be-exploited-in-a-primary/718376/152 "2015-04-30T21:21:59Z")
But mostly it depends on your imagination. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-clintons-vulnerabilities-which-could-be-exploited-in-a-primary/718376/153 "2015-04-30T21:22:52Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What makes you think she would make any decisions about the use of military force differently than what Obama did? The fact that Obama was elected on a tide of anti-Iraq war sentiment, and Clinton won’t be (can’t be, given her integral role in hyping and authorizing the war). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-clintons-vulnerabilities-which-could-be-exploited-in-a-primary/718376/154 "2015-04-30T22:00:59Z")
> [@Haberdash](#): > > The fact that Obama was elected on a tide of anti-Iraq war sentiment, and Clinton won’t be (can’t be, given her integral role in hyping and authorizing the war). But she won’t be elected on a tide of pro-war sentiment either. She’ll have a free hand so far as that goes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-clintons-vulnerabilities-which-could-be-exploited-in-a-primary/718376.md?page=7)