# Mrs Hudson's teatime gathering - Mafia penut gallery \[No Spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2014, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219 "2014-02-13T04:05:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/21 "2014-02-21T14:44:41Z")
I want to talk about this so much but obviously can’t. I’m _very_ surprised at a number of Day One decisions. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/22 "2014-02-21T15:06:54Z")
Feel free to pm me with juicy details! ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/23 "2014-02-21T16:08:08Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > If the “kill protector” power is a true clue (get my note book Blue!) then the most logical thing for scum to do would be to target Daphne with it. They could then chose to kill someone else on the chance of hitting another power role and hoping for a bonus kill on the town protector. The other thing that would make more sense would be to kill Sherlock as well. If it is a true power they either kill the protector, or Sherlock , I doubt both would die as protection occurs simultaneously with the killing of the protector (simultaneous resolution of actions right?), but they would be guaranteed at least one power role kill. > As a false clue it is massively disadvantageous for town for that to be out there. They become suspicious of any female (role) town and could cause the protector to make poor choices and not protect someone who needs it. > I think it is a possibility that the protector guessed it was a false clue and took a chance and protected Sherlock, Scum knew it was false and assumed the protector would stay away from Sherlock and tried to kill him, and we only ended up with one night kill from another killer role. > Maybe too complex? > Or Protector stayed away and there is a redirector that diverted a scum kill? > That said I a don’t believe Chronos, the power does give some cover for a scum who was found near a dead person, but still, don’t buy it. > Daphnes claim is not that she investigated but saw , which doesn’t seam like a traditional Sherlock type role. Maybe his deductive power is they can determine the results of others actions , or is a watcher rather than detective. I agree. There are many possibilities, but the lack of discussion at all is confusing in and of itself. Something was going on there. It could be something as simple as DaphneBlack being scum herself. Perhaps they will start discussing when more data is available. > [@](#): > > Shoes? Is that an actual question? Shoes refers to another game long ago where power roles were restricted from claiming for balance reasons. A doctor indirectly claimed by ranting about hating shoes (instead of protecting against Shu). It was China themed. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/24 "2014-02-21T16:21:04Z")
With the funky Days only setup the manipulations of the Chronos lynch are completely unnecessary and an unneeded distraction. Since everyone can multi vote, everyone can vote for Chronos and rely on the possible vigilante to kill the runner up. No Vig? No problem. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/25 "2014-02-21T20:16:50Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > With the funky Days only setup the manipulations of the Chronos lynch are completely unnecessary and an unneeded distraction. Since everyone can multi vote, everyone can vote for Chronos and rely on the possible vigilante to kill the runner up. No Vig? No problem. Yeah I agree and it’s making me suspicious of the people pushing the distractions. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/26 "2014-02-21T20:27:57Z")
Ditto and fully agree, the lack of discussion over setup ( how many scum possible roles etc) and the permutations for the scum kill is odd. With a lot of power roles maybe people are just being cautious and don’t want to risk letting on what they know. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2014, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/27 "2014-02-23T13:46:52Z")
Now that Chronos has more or less admitted his alignment, I will say that I’m a bit surprised he didn’t claim Town-aligned Vig. Without spoiling anything, I think such a claim probably gets him through Day Two at least. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2014, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/28 "2014-02-23T16:38:22Z")
WIFOM, but I feel weird about Chronos rolling over and drawing fire. Sure, he was dead dead dead, so maybe he just saw the writing on the wall and gave up… But I’d be a little worried about some sort of redirection power. Seemed like a pretty weak (likely false) claim. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/29 "2014-02-24T16:27:38Z")
I would agree it is a bit suspicious , scum will have been actively discussing the issue , my guess is they would have come to the conclusion that Chronos is a dead man anyway so had him admit scumminess and effectively kill further discussions for the day. I would think scum are not going to get any further info out of todays discussion, pushing for a second place candidate may, at the outset, have had the possibility of getting another town to claim, but the second place candidate idea doesn’t seam likely. All scum can do today with further discussion is slip up. obviously barring some serious vote manipulation power, but town can’t mitigate that as they have no idea what it is, so may as well go full bore and lynch admitted (well as good as) scum Also I am not getting Malahoth and ATPG with the “lynch me” attitude. If both are town, essentially revealing they are vanilla is a bad, bad plan, it gives a smaller pool for scum to look for power roles in. Now it may be some gambit based on a power they have (can survive one lynch? or trying to get scum to take a pop at him?) . ATPGs attempt to get the investigator to commit to an investigation plan on him is also a terrible idea, particularly as it is possible there is a scum watcher role as well. ATPG would be high on my list for scum right now, plus distracting town with the whole, “I bet you I am town” and pointing to other games where he was town is not at all helpful. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2014, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/30 "2014-02-24T18:33:23Z")
I personally hate the “I bet you that I’m Town” play. It’s utterly useless. It’s either a sucker bet or a scum ploy – I find it a particularly smarmy way to play. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/31 "2014-02-24T18:41:37Z")
I do agree that Pizza should either be investigated or lynched but not both. However, the reasoning he gives is weird and not logical. If Town knows they are going to lynch Pizza, then he obviously should not be investigated regardless of his alignment as the information would be redundant. However, if Pizza is truly Town, then I don’t see why he’s making such a fuss. Dealing with M is so far off that there really isn’t any reason to care at this point. Furthermore, one could make the argument that investigating Town is a stronger use of power than investigating scum since all scum have to be lynched anyway. Finally, getting nightkilled after being investigated is par for the course. It would be the case if he was investigated or some other town was investigated. Nothing to get so bothered about. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2014, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/32 "2014-02-24T20:18:51Z")
Absolutely, sure an investigated vanilla town is always suspicious until the godfather is dead, after all the godfather role is a balance to the investigative powers, but once the GF is dead all the remaining confirmed town are a huge boost to wrapping up the end game. Investigated and lynched scum don’t help reduce the pool to look in and often leads town to rely on the investigations. I guess as chronos being found next to a dead body indicates the scum have to nominate a killer. Which I guess indicates there are trackers and watchers. Still a bit confused as to what Sherlock is, doesn’t seam to be a conventional detective role. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/33 "2014-02-24T20:27:24Z")
And there was Daphne indicating it may not be a conventional investigator role. Good call on highlighting she won’t be drawn on what to do, although maybe there is some ground to be made drawing out the discussion to see what arises from others input. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2014, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/34 "2014-02-25T03:32:43Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > I would agree it is a bit suspicious , scum will have been actively discussing the issue , my guess is they would have come to the conclusion that Chronos is a dead man anyway so had him admit scumminess and effectively kill further discussions for the day. I think you nailed this. It’s as quiet as a fog-covered morning on the moor over there (sans hound). ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/35 "2014-02-25T17:35:56Z")
It’s times like this a hammer mechanism is a good thing ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/36 "2014-02-26T19:46:32Z")
Aw, man, did nobody here notice what I was doing with those two posts, either? I was rather proud of those. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/37 "2014-02-26T19:55:23Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Storyteller** : > > Now that Chronos has more or less admitted his alignment, I will say that I’m a bit surprised he didn’t claim Town-aligned Vig. Without spoiling anything, I think such a claim probably gets him through Day Two at least. I couldn’t have pulled it off. If I were, I probably would have claimed as soon as Dawn came with no other kill, or at least as soon as **Daphne** did the “you know why”. Plus I would have been expected to give a full reveal, and I didn’t have anything I could work into a Vig claim. And I hadn’t expressed any particular suspicion of **Johnny** , nor did he fall into any of the standard vig-target categories (second-place, lurker, etc.). ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/38 "2014-02-26T20:09:21Z")
Well, there’s always the catch-all standby “gut.” But I agree that would be odd for you. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/39 "2014-02-26T20:11:18Z")
Hey your not dead yet! I guess story is running behind with the EOD. Yeah a false claim would have been tough, with the colour in all the role descriptions it would be even tougher to come up with something believable. What were you doing in those posts? Just a quick reminder this is a no spoiler thread - just in case active players accidentally wonder in, but please do join us, cup of tea? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219/40 "2014-02-26T21:00:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **sachertorte** : > > Well, there’s always the catch-all standby “gut.” > But I agree that would be odd for you. If I personally ever claim to base anything in Mafia on a gut decision, you should lynch me immediately. Which anyone who’s ever played with me probably already knows. > [@](#): > > Quoth **Precambrianmollusc** : > > What were you doing in those posts? [A Treatise on the Binomial Theorem](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Treatise_on_the_Binomial_Theorem) and [The Dynamics of an Asteroid](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dynamics_of_an_Asteroid). (not a spoiler for the game, just if someone wants to figure it out for themselves) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mrs-hudsons-teatime-gathering-mafia-penut-gallery-no-spoilers/681219.md?page=3)