# "Ms. Elizabeth" is dead! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 1, 2003, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454 "2003-05-01T19:17:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/21 "2003-05-02T04:21:34Z")
And I thought this thread was going to be about _Queen_ Elizabeth… ---
**Author:** ![Gozu\_Tashoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@Gozu\_Tashoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu_Tashoya)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/22 "2003-05-02T05:23:11Z")
Holy crap a lot of wrestlers have died since the 90s. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Rockford](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac8455/32.png) [@Rockford](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rockford)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/23 "2003-05-02T05:28:18Z")
\*\* > [@](#): > > Marley23- > I remember reading way back when that the guy who played the Ultimate Warrior died, is that right? Nobody ever worked that out when I was of an age to be into wrestling, maybe somebody here would know.\*\* It was a publicity stunt. He’s alive. [http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/bios/warrior.html](http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/bios/warrior.html) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/24 "2003-05-02T05:35:12Z")
Ah, okay. That’s a scary amount of information, by the way. Gah. And yeah, Battousai, a LOT of these wrestlers are dying - mostly of drugs. Probably a TV special about pro wrestling culture in there someplace… ---
**Author:** ![Pixiesnix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/898d66/32.png) [@Pixiesnix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pixiesnix)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/25 "2003-05-02T05:39:09Z")
I remember Ms. Elizabeth from the days when my brothers watched Saturday morning wrestling and promptly put me in a headlock. She always seemed like a nice lady to me. Wasn’t her relationship with Randy Savage somewhat abusive, if not mentally, then emotionally? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/26 "2003-05-02T05:41:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Biotop \* > \*\*I don’t remember the Ultimate Warrier dying. I hope its not true. The WCW had a Warrior copy called “The Renegade” who commited suicide years ago. > > I was a great fan of Ravishing Rick Rude, who used to kiss the ladies in the audience. I believe he died from drug use… > > Yokozuna was found dead, not that long ago, in an apartment in Paris, if I remember correctly. Flyin’ Brian Pillman died under suspicious circumstances. > > And didn’t Dino Bravo die from some drug related violence? \*\* The Ultimate Warrior’s alive and well. He has his own website where he writes articles. To read them, you’d think he was tripping on acid but no… he’s really just that weird. Rick Rude did die from an overdose back about four years ago. I can’t remember from what; Yokozuna and Pillman both died of overdoses as well; and if I remember right, Bravo was murdered by members of the Canadian Black Market. ---
**Author:** ![hardygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@hardygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hardygrrl)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/27 "2003-05-02T06:21:49Z")
☹ She was a class act and the majority of women in wrestling could learn a lesson from her. No thongs, no layouts in Playboy - always a lady. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/28 "2003-05-02T06:31:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by hardygrrl \* > \*\*No thongs, no layouts in Playboy - always a lady. \*\* [nitpick][http://www.kayfabememories.com/TapeReviews/summerslam/summerslam88-2.htm](http://www.kayfabememories.com/TapeReviews/summerslam/summerslam88-2.htm) \*"…and then, in another one of those famous moments, Liz hops up on the ring apron and rips off her skirt. Don’t panic, she’s wearing bikini bottoms underneath. The Megabucks stand agog and the Megapowers attack. Hogan slams DiBiase, Savage nails the big elbow, and Hogan legdrops him, and Ventura makes a very reluctant count for the Megapowers win. \*\*3/4 Liz had _great_ legs back then, but she’s much better overall these days"\*[/nitpick] ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/29 "2003-05-02T06:46:30Z")
Anyone have links to all these wrestler deaths? After the Ultimate Warrior Urban Legend/Publicity stunt floating around for so many years I’m wary of wrestler deaths that I don’t hear about. Especially big names like Yokozuna and Rick Rude. ---
**Author:** ![Liz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/liz/32/17737_2.png) [@Liz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/30 "2003-05-02T10:03:31Z")
I really liked Miss Elizabeth. I, too, thought she was a refreshingly classy and naturally pretty addition to the then WWF. **Cisco** , I can’t provide links right now, because Google is being a whoremaster, but all of the named wrestlers (Owen Hart, Davy Boy Smith, Yokozuna; and with the exception of the Ultimate Jackass) are actually deceased. The WWE had the traditional tolling of the bells before the beginning of RAW for each of them, IIRC, and also had a closing RIP message. They wouldn’t have done this if the deaths were not legit. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Liz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/liz/32/17737_2.png) [@Liz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/31 "2003-05-02T10:04:50Z")
Erm, that smilie is supposed to be a saddie. ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/32 "2003-05-02T10:25:23Z")
**Biotop** : Yokozuna passed away in Liverpool, UK while on a tour. **Aesiron** : I’ve never heard any mention of drugs being involved in Yokozuna’s death. It was originally thought to have been caused by a heart attack, but the official cause of death was fluid on the lungs. I’d say that his weight would be a major factor in his death at such a young age. Pillman died in his sleep, the cause of death being an heart attack. While he did abuse pain killers (he had been seriously injured in a car accident a year or so before he died), I seem to remember that it was caused by a congenital heart defect. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/33 "2003-05-02T13:01:57Z")
Deaths in the last 10 years … several have been mentioned already, The full list is on [this](http://www.marylandwrestling.com/news/insidecredle3-03.html) page. I added some information and took out some of the lesser know guys. > [@](#): > > January 27, 1993 Andre The Giant – Heart Attack, 46 > February 18, 1993 Kerry Von Erich – Suicide, 33 > March 11, 1993 Dino Bravo – Drive-By Shooting, 44 > November 23, 1994 Art Barr – Drug-Related, 28 > January 22, 1995 Jerry “Crusher” Blackwell – Pneumonia, 45 > February 18, 1995 Eddie Gilbert – Heart Attack, 33 > March 20, 1995 Big John Studd – Hodgkin’s Disease, 46 > June 15, 1996 Dick Murdoch – Heart Attack, 49 > October 5, 1997 Brian Pillman – Arteriosclerotic Heart Disease, 35 > February 15, 1998 Louie Spiccoli – Carisopridol Overdose, 27 > June 1, 1998 Sylvester “Junkyard Dog” Ritter – Auto Accident, 45 > February 23, 1999 The Renegade – Suicide, 23 > April 20, 1999 Rick Rude – Heart Attack, 41 > May 23, 1999 Owen Hart – Accidental Fall, 33 > January 24, 2000 Bobby Duncum Jr. – Drug Overdose, 34 > May 16, 2000 Tomomi “Jumbo” Tsuruta – Internal Bleeding, 49 > October 22, 2000 Rodney “Yokozuna” Anoia – Heart Attack, 34 > July 16, 2001 Terry “Bam Bam” Gordy (part of the “Fabulous Freebirds” tag team) – Heart Attack, 40 > July 27, 2001 Rhonda “Bertha Faye” Singh, 40 > October 7, 2001 Chris Adams – Shot, 46 > December 14, 2001 Russ Haas Heart Attack 27 > May 14, 2002 Erich “Mass Transit” Kulas (this is the guy made famous in old ECW when New Jack carved him open in his first match at age 17 and he lost about 15 gallons of blood, and subsequently he sued ECW …and lost) > May 16, 2002 Alex “Big Dick Dudley” Rizzo 34 > May 17, 2002 “British Bulldog” Davey Boy Smith – Heart Attack, 39 > September 21, 2002 Ted “Rocco Rock” Petty (One half of the “Public Enemy” tag team) – Heart Attack, 49 > February 10, 2003 Curt “Mr Perfect” Hennig, – Overdose, 44 Also, several of those listed as “Heart Attack” were heavily suspected to be drug related (Eddie Gilbert, Louie Spiccoli, Pillman, Bulldog) ---
**Author:** ![hardygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@hardygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hardygrrl)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/34 "2003-05-02T14:27:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aesiron \* > \*\*[nitpick][http://www.kayfabememories.com/TapeReviews/summerslam/summerslam88-2.htm](http://www.kayfabememories.com/TapeReviews/summerslam/summerslam88-2.htm) > > \*"…and then, in another one of those famous moments, Liz hops up on the ring apron and rips off her skirt. Don’t panic, she’s wearing bikini bottoms underneath. The Megabucks stand agog and the Megapowers attack. Hogan slams DiBiase, Savage nails the big elbow, and Hogan legdrops him, and Ventura makes a very reluctant count for the Megapowers win. \*\*3/4 > > Liz had _great_ legs back then, but she’s much better overall these days"\*[/nitpick] \*\* Pfft. World of difference between a bikini bottom and showing your cooter. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Amp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Amp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amp)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/35 "2003-05-02T14:58:19Z")
He he…cooter. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/36 "2003-05-02T15:03:04Z")
“Lex Luger arrested for drugs? Ms. Elizabeth dead…possibly by an OD? Holy WWF Smack Down, Batman…!” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/37 "2003-05-02T15:30:16Z")
That’s a LOT of young people with heart attacks. Steroids? Coke? ---
**Author:** ![Convict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Convict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Convict)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/38 "2003-05-02T17:24:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Marley23 \* > \*\*That’s a LOT of young people with heart attacks. Steroids? Coke? \*\* Many of them are a combination of drugs. In Brian Pillman’s case I believe it was painkillers and coke. Unlike baseball, football etc there is no offseason in professional wrestling. While pro wrestling is scripted, getting thrown around a ring for 200 plus nights a year takes a huge toll on your body. In order to make money the wrestlers must perform at the shows, so many of them pop painkillers to help them out. Since they don’t get time off to recover from a pulled muscle or other minor injury they keep popping painkillers and it soon turns into an addiction. I remember hearing about one wrestler who after performing for the night would go back to the hotel and take something to bring him down so he could sleep. In the morning he would have to take something to bring him up, and then before performing that night would pop some painkillers and repeat as necessary. Unfortunately there seems to be an attitude that performing while hurt makes you more of a “man” and raises your standing with other wrestlers. A few weeks ago Kurt Angle performed at Wrestlemania with a neck injury that could have killed or paralyzed him if he landed the wrong way. He knew it, the WWE knew it, and yet he still performed because it was the biggest show of the year. He did have surgery on his neck a few days after the show and is now out for a year IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/39 "2003-05-02T17:42:08Z")
**Convict** : IIRC, Kurt Angle was due to have a fusion in his neck which would have put him out for up to a year. However, he decided to go for a different operation which, with luck, will mean that he’ll be back in just a couple of months. ---
**Author:** ![Philster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@Philster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philster)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2003, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454/40 "2003-05-02T19:01:12Z")
You don’t get that big without steroids (as big as the big wrestlers now), while travelling and performing non-stop. The juice rate is near 100%. Some never take a break from the cycle, some use less. But it is everywhere. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ms-elizabeth-is-dead/172454.md?page=3)