# MSNBC Poll: Impeach Bush! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 11, 2006, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/msnbc-poll-impeach-bush/379969 "2006-11-11T02:32:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2006, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/msnbc-poll-impeach-bush/379969/101 "2006-11-13T03:01:12Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] > [@Clothahump](#): > > Frankly, I think it’s spite, like kids in a sandbox. I think it’s the libs saying, “Nannynannybooboo - you impeached a lib President, we’re gonna impeach a conservative one!”. They tend to overlook the minor, insignificant fact that the lib President committed a felony while in office. Cite? [/QUOTE] You gotta be kidding, **Diogenes**. You’re asking for a cite on something that is totally public record? Gimme a break. But since you insist: > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, December 19) – A deeply divided House of Representatives impeached President Bill Clinton Saturday on charges of lying under oath to a federal grand jury and obstructing justice in the Monica Lewinsky affair. > **[House impeaches Clinton - December 19, 1998](https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/19/impeachment.01/)** ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2006, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/msnbc-poll-impeach-bush/379969/102 "2006-11-13T03:06:59Z")
[QUOTE=dropzone] Hmmm, my computer hasn’t caught fire and Firefucks seemed to boot a little faster than it used to. And I forgot–I was watching “TRON” tonite and a daughter asked about video game parlors and Carol Stream contains/contained Galaxy World, the arcade I used to play TRON at. [/QUOTE] And I used to play Tron at its sister ship, Gala West. It was always hard to play with an onion in your belt, 'course that was the style of the time… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2006, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/msnbc-poll-impeach-bush/379969/103 "2006-11-13T03:11:07Z")
[QUOTE=Clothahump] You’re asking for a cite on something that is totally public record? [/QUOTE] The request for a cite, and I asked the same thing, regards your claim that Clinton “committed a felony”. We’re still waiting. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2006, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/msnbc-poll-impeach-bush/379969/104 "2006-11-13T03:12:23Z")
[QUOTE=Clothahump] You gotta be kidding, **Diogenes**. You’re asking for a cite on something that is totally public record? Gimme a break. But since you insist: > **[House impeaches Clinton - December 19, 1998](https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/19/impeachment.01/)** [/QUOTE] I wanted a cite that he committed a felony. Where is it? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2006, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/msnbc-poll-impeach-bush/379969/105 "2006-11-13T03:13:30Z")
[QUOTE=Clothahump] Oh, get off it. He wasn’t impeached for a blowjob and you know it. [/quote] That was the opening the lame-duck GOP finally found after years of searching for something, anything. He was impeached out of sheer personal spite. And, in your heart of hearts, \*you \* know _that_. > [@](#): > > Since he didn’t “lie us into a war of aggression” What facts did you consider in reaching that conclusion? Any? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2006, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/msnbc-poll-impeach-bush/379969/106 "2006-11-13T03:49:23Z")
[QUOTE=Clothahump] You gotta be kidding, **Diogenes**. You’re asking for a cite on something that is totally public record? Gimme a break. But since you insist: > **[House impeaches Clinton - December 19, 1998](https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/19/impeachment.01/)** [/QUOTE] But the Senate declined to convict. No conviction, no crime. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2006, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/msnbc-poll-impeach-bush/379969/107 "2006-11-13T03:57:08Z")
Impeachment is not a criminal charge anyway. Even if the impeachment had ended in conviction, it still wouldn’t have been a _criminal_ conviction. Clinton was never criminally charged with anything and was acquitted even of the impeachment charges. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2006, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/msnbc-poll-impeach-bush/379969/108 "2006-11-13T04:21:39Z")
good grief. we cannot simulatneously claim Bush guilty of war crimes while claiming that Clinton’s act wasn’t a felony if he wasn’t charged w/it. there is, of course, a difference between some one who has been convicted of a felony w/some one who has committed an act which could be charged w/a felony. the former includes all in prison,the latter includes both clinton and bush. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2006, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/msnbc-poll-impeach-bush/379969/109 "2006-11-13T04:21:52Z")
So why was he disbarred? The fact of the matter as I see it are this. The current administration has done several things that warrant congress to exercise it’s oversight responsibilities. Testifying under oath, providing documents, are things the current administration should be required to do now. Then, when the facts are actually out, we will see if impeachment is the next step or not. This has nothing to do with previous presidents, or previous impeachments and the validity of those proceedings. However, the possible manipulation of intelligence to convince congress and the American people to go to war is a very serious matter and it needs to be investigated in a thorough and disspassionate way. That issue along with others are things Congress should not ignore, in the name of bi-partisanship, because ignoring them can only be called dereliction of duty. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2006, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/msnbc-poll-impeach-bush/379969/110 "2006-11-13T04:31:11Z")
[QUOTE=Zebra] So why was he disbarred? [/quote] Contempt of court, essentially. It’s more circuitous than that but essentially Clinton agreed to a five year suspension of his license as part of an agreement to end the Paula Jones investigation. He was never charged with a felony. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2006, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/msnbc-poll-impeach-bush/379969/111 "2006-11-13T05:58:21Z")
What, sir! No criminal trespass? No crime committed? What, sir, about _defilement?!_ What about how he sullied the virtue and reputation of Ms Jones, the Heidi of the Ozarks, with his big city ways and the seductive wiles he learned in the sophisticated underworld of Little Rock? What about a bright career in the Civil Service dashed on the rocks of his depraved lusts, and an innocent naif reduced to fighting with Tonya “Toecutter” Harding for her meagre crust of bread? No crime? For shame! ---
**Author:** ![vinniepaz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b4bc9f/32.png) [@vinniepaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vinniepaz)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2006, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/msnbc-poll-impeach-bush/379969/112 "2006-11-13T06:52:34Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] There’ve been a couple scientific polls on impeaching Bush: [January 2006:](http://www.democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-2) [October 2005:](http://democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-1) This MSNBC poll strikes me as strongly skewed towards impeachment for there **not** to be a fair amount of support for it. I can’t think of any reason that support for impeaching Bush would have _decreased_ dramatically over the past year, can anyone? Plus, MSNBC is a vanilla political site, and of the lefty sites I frequent only [Wonkette](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904/) is guiding voters to the poll. On the other hand, I did vote _twice_, so others could do that too. [/QUOTE] Niether of those questions deal with pro- or anti- impeachment directly. You can word the same question two different ways and get drastically different results. Do you support congress considering impeachment if the President illegally wiretapped people? That question leads to people oversimplifying the issue in their heads. They just think of it like “Well, if he illegally wiretapped, then sure, he should be impeached” without considering other relevant issues. I agree that these polls say something, but I don’t believe it is in any way that the majority of the country supports impeachment. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2006, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/msnbc-poll-impeach-bush/379969/113 "2006-11-13T07:59:43Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I wanted a cite that he committed a felony. Where is it? [/QUOTE] I am pretty sure he did commit a felony. Was he convicted, no. Now that we have put this to bed (you see, dwelling on this only gives pro-Bush people the diversion they are looking for) I am also positive that if we were to investigate president Bush with even 1/4 of the resources poured into Clinton, and put him under oath to give testimony, he too would have the same charges if not more. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2006, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/msnbc-poll-impeach-bush/379969/114 "2006-11-13T11:32:31Z")
[QUOTE=Lissa] …I am also positive that if we were to investigate president Bush with even 1/4 of the resources poured into Clinton, and put him under oath to give testimony, he too would have the same charges if not more. [/QUOTE] _And_ there’d be the actual public will to oust him that **Elvis** assumes already exists. It might not be the empty exercise he’d have us engage in immediately. Shine a light first, then act on what is revealed -to **everyone** - to be true. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/msnbc-poll-impeach-bush/379969.md?page=5)