# mswas banning **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [February 3, 2010, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552 "2010-02-03T17:46:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/101 "2010-02-05T14:27:21Z")
Suggestion: can we give people not banned for really serious infractions (threatening other posters, etc.) 24 hours post-banning to say goodbye? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/102 "2010-02-05T14:45:09Z")
Can it come with a hand-graved invitation that reads “please troll the board?” 😉 EDIT: To put it mildly I see nothing good that would come from doing that. And I think creating distinctions in bannings (‘you’re getting banned, but not for a really serious infraction’) would create some very annoying problems. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/103 "2010-02-05T14:53:59Z")
Well, if they do use the goodbye period to troll the board, you can always just cut them off. I always think that if I got banned there are quite a few people I’d like to share a fare-thee-well with, and I think it’s sad that people who get banned don’t get that opportunity. I mean, they can always go to one of the splinter boards nowadays, but most of us don’t post on them. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/104 "2010-02-05T15:04:20Z")
I see what you’re saying, but when you screw up often enough to get banned you give up the option of going out on your own terms. **mswas** did start a goodbye thread, after all, and I don’t think a lot of people are going to take warm fuzzy memories from that. Mostly it just confirmed that he was intent on getting himself banned. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/105 "2010-02-05T15:56:53Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I always think that if I got banned there are quite a few people I’d like to share a fare-thee-well with, and I think it’s sad that people who get banned don’t get that opportunity. Then send them a PM. Can the banned send PMs? I know they can log in. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/106 "2010-02-05T15:57:55Z")
I’m sure they can’t. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/107 "2010-02-05T16:12:24Z")
Quick question for **magellan01** (and **Sam Stone** ). You really want to be seen as supporting this guy? > [@Calling people a liar in GD](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/63): > > … And while I’m on the subject of pissing EVERYONE off, here’s what I have to say about the Holocaust, “Those elitist pricks had it coming, shame about the gimps, fags and hobos though.” > [@Calling people a liar in GD](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-people-a-liar-in-gd/342586/70): > > … But if you wanna hear some truly bizarre shit, we can talk about Armaggedon prophecies secret societies that are trying to fulfill them and how the Zionist National Congress and the Nazis were both instrumental in the formation of the state of Israel. 😉 Think Israel would get the support it gets without the Holocaust? > > On that note, I think the Holocaust was truly fucked up, but now it has moved into the realm of sacred cow, and I do so love a Holy bar-b-que. Tune in next week and I’ll be making 9/11 kebabs. For the above he was suspended. > [@Moral Relativism in the United State Foreign Policy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-relativism-in-the-united-state-foreign-policy/340745/1): > > I am really tired of hearing about the atrocity committed on 9/11. If that was murder then so is every Iraqi death. I am tired of people acting as though American’s fundamental rights are so much more valuable than those of other people. I’m just goddamned sick of it. If Osama bin Laden deserves some hellish death, then so does George W Bush. If the terrorists are murderers, then so is every soldier in Iraq. > > I am so tired of the fucking hypocrisy. We’ve been destabilizing them for years to our own economic benefit, and finally they hurt us back, and we’re oh so scandalized. > > Fuck all of you who supported the war ever and think that you’re any better than Osama bin Laden. I hope one day you know the error of your ways. If not I hope that you share a bunk with him in Hell. > > Erek > [@Moral Relativism in the United State Foreign Policy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-relativism-in-the-united-state-foreign-policy/340745/2): > > :rolleyes: > [@Moral Relativism in the United State Foreign Policy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-relativism-in-the-united-state-foreign-policy/340745/9): > > You wouldn’t be subjected to it if you didn’t click the link either. But of course feeling superior on an internet message board has such allure. Don’t worry I feel you, it’s titillating. > > Ok, so then what’s moral relativism? I thought it was applying one standard to yourself and another to others. In this case considering it worse for Osama bin Laden to kill civilians than say a member of the air force. Like it’s murder when a brown person does it, it’s defending freedom when a white person does it. > [@Moral Relativism in the United State Foreign Policy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-relativism-in-the-united-state-foreign-policy/340745/12): > > No I am talking about the systematic destabilization of the middle east that we performed in order to fight the Soviets. I am talking about selling weapons to everyone over there, all sides, both overtly and covertly. I am talking about the assassinations, the training of terrorists, and the expectation that America should control the world’s oil supply. > > I’m the kind of idiot that knows that America isn’t an innocent victim. I’m the kind of idiot that knows about Iran Contra, and knows that George W Bush thought Saddam had WMDs because he had the receipt from the sale that his Daddy brokered. I am the kind of idiot that knows that the Bush family and their oil buddies in Texas and Saudi Arabia have been engineering Middle East foreign policy both with American governmental authority, and outside of it for the entire time I’ve been alive. > > Erek > [@Moral Relativism in the United State Foreign Policy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-relativism-in-the-united-state-foreign-policy/340745/14): > > And apparently you know that every member of the military is a murderer no better than Bin Laden. > > It would be a waste of time to tell you what I really think of that, so I’ll just give you another one of these: :rolleyes: > [@Moral Relativism in the United State Foreign Policy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/moral-relativism-in-the-united-state-foreign-policy/340745/23): > > And Soldiers are cowards who hide behind bureaucracy and claim to be “Just following orders” when they know deep down what we all know, that they are protecting Halliburton’s profit margins. > > A soldier who is part of an invasion force, who kills people in THEIR OWN COUNTRY, is no better than a terrorist. > > Airman Doors you can kiss my ass. You are no better than a terrorist. You are supporting an illegitimate occupation, you are either killing, or supporting the machine that kills Iraqis in their own country. You are the aggressor force, and they are defending their homeland. You are not defending me, I am not under attack. I was more likely to be killed in New York by other New Yorkers from 90-95, than I was by ANYONE from 2000-2005 including the 9/11 attacks. We had a lower murder rate in the first half of this decade than we have had EVER, and that includes the 3000 killed. Osama bin Laden is representing a people that we have backed into a corner. People that we in the Anglosphere have been dominating and fucking over for nearly two centuries. He is the Freedom Fighter, not you. You are the oppressor. If you were a real American, you’d put down your gun and take your court martial like a man. > > It’s exactly because I love America that I need to tell you what the fuck is up, because you know it in your heart, you know that what we are doing is not right, that we are the aggressor force, that everything we’ve done is a shallow attempt to cover up the fact that all we are accomplishing is aggressive corporate expansion. Airman Doors, I want you to remember this in 15 years when they’ve cut your pension, when they’ve forgotten you just like they forgot the Vietnam vets. I want you to remember when your military benefits don’t mean squat. I hope you buy stock in halliburton, because it’s the only way you’re going to find a profit from your service. > > You are NOT defending me, take solace in that. You are HURTING ME. The President said, I am either with him or with the Terrorists, I definitely ain’t with him, but don’t worry, this is as bad as it’s gonna get. I won’t do any worse than tell you straight up how I feel about this, and I will tell everyone how I feel about it. > > This war is UNAMERICAN, and the President who’s profit margin you are fighting for is DESTROYING AMERICA. You should be marching on Washington not Baghdad. He’s working to bankrupt this country while expanding his regimes profit margin. They want to create an Empire, he wants to be Caesar, you scoffed at it in the other thread, but that’s what he’s trying to do. He wants to collapse the Republic and start the Empire, and you are part of his military that he’s using to do it. The thing is, he wouldn’t fight next to you, and he didn’t even want to buy you fucking armor until it became so politically unpopular that he had to. You’re a fucking fool. I don’t care how you romanticize and justify it to yourself. You should not be over there. You should be where the real Americans are IN AMERICA. If we were invaded, I’d be right fucking next to you with my rifle. If we weren’t toppling regimes left and right in order to create an underclass that is out of sight out of mind for the past 50 years, then there would be no terrorists attacking us. They don’t hate us for our Freedom, they hate us because we KEEP KILLING THEM AND STEALING THEIR RESOURCES!!! > > So someone has to say it, you’re morally equivalent to a terrorist. You’re not better, you’re not worse. But what do you care, you don’t require my respect anyway, so it doesn’t matter. Keep on supporting the killing, the rape, the torture. Keep on telling yourself that Carlyle hasn’t been laundering money so your Bosses Daddy could sell weapons to both sides and keep them fighting for years and years. Keep telling yourself that your commander in chief feels more loyalty to you than the Saudis, but I’ll tell you right now he doesn’t. He values the lives of his Saudi buddies far more than he values yours. You are cannon fodder for him in his imperialist aims. > > Eisenhauer the last President to truly lead an army warned against a Military Industrial Complex, he said it was the worst thing that could happen to America. Maybe it’s time people woke the fuck up and started listening. Just look at New Orleans if you want to see how much safer you are keeping us exactly. The bad guys are here, they aren’t over there. > > I hope you enjoy your delusion. > > Erek So **magellan01** , **mswas** should be given yet another chance, but **Der Trihs** should be banned for saying the same kinda shit that **mswas** _did_? Really? CMC fnord! > [@Dan\_Norder](#): > > It’d streamline things a lot to just ban anyone making whiny posts in support of people banned for longstanding, blatant violations of the rules. If they defend such behavior they don’t belong either. … Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/108 "2010-02-05T16:19:24Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Then send them a PM. … An E-Mail address and an AIM IM contact are in his [profile](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php), under the _Contact Info_ tab. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/109 "2010-02-05T16:24:18Z")
**Marley23** said: > [@](#): > > **Czarcasm** ’s comments were marginally personal, which is why they were moderated along with **mswas** ’s. But it’s a thread about knowledge- what’s obvious and what’s knowable. So comments about ignorance are personal but they’re not completely off topic. Knowledge and ignorance were topics that came up and were discussed appropriately. Ignorance does often carry some negative connotation to it, which means using it is sometimes more of a hammer than just a lack of information. But I stand by my characterization of **Czarcasm** ’s comment. His first post in that thread was a “zinger” to compare **mswas** to an ape (meaning gorilla or chimp or orangutan, not humans who are technically great apes). As I said, I would have reported that post immediately. I don’t assume that would have modified the thread or **mswas** ’s response, but I can’t help but think a timely moderator intervention at that point might have cooled things down. But I can’t assume you were reading at the time, so playing “what if” doesn’t get us anywhere. > [@](#): > > I want to be fair and evenhanded, but I was not responding to dispel charges of blue shield hypocrisy. I know you weren’t trying. My point is that the board administration gets accused of things like bias and favoritism on a regular basis. Seems to me having examples where moderators get called out for their actions just like any other poster would be reasonable examples to have around to counter those claims. I understand moderators are chosen in part because they are reasonable and rarely violate board rules. That is the point - you don’t pick the biggest hothead to keep a lid on things. But it seems to me that when a mod comes close to crossing the line, reminding them visibly that they are being watched, too, is a reasonable way to demonstrate to the rest of the board that the admin plays fair here. Or should I start another thread as a suggestion for consideration? **Dan Norder** said: > [@](#): > > It’d streamline things a lot to just ban anyone making whiny posts in support of people banned for longstanding, blatant violations of the rules. If they defend such behavior they don’t belong either. mswas should have been banned months ago. He contributed nothing of value to any thread he posted to. Why don’t we also ban anyone who posts a complaint about board moderation? I mean, if they don’t like the moderation, they don’t belong here either. And while we’re at it, let’s ban anyone who posts in ATMB. If they don’t know how this board works yet, they don’t belong here, either. Heck, let’s ban everyone in the Pit - they obviously don’t belong here since we had to make a special forum for them that doesn’t conform to the rules of the rest of the board. Hell, let’s ban everyone but the people who post exclusively in Cecil’s Columns. And maybe Staff Reports. Those are the only real categories anyway, everything else is just fluff. **Really Not All That Bright** said: > [@](#): > > Suggestion: can we give people not banned for really serious infractions (threatening other posters, etc.) 24 hours post-banning to say goodbye? Nobody gets banned for having a pleasant conversation with friends. If they want to have a pleasant conversation with friends, they should refrain from getting banned. Seems to me to be asking for trouble. Even if that poster didn’t go trolling or otherwise intentionally creating trouble, you would be bound to get a nice, pleasant thread saying, “Why don’t you just go away already, you’re not wanted here.” ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/110 "2010-02-05T16:32:42Z")
So what? They’re free to not use the 24-hour… grace period, or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/111 "2010-02-05T16:35:41Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’m sure they can’t. I’d imagine they’d still be able to access a doper’s user info, which contains an e-mail address (if the doper has provided a public one), right? ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/112 "2010-02-05T16:52:26Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > So what? They’re free to not use the 24-hour… grace period, or whatever. If someone gets banned, fuck 'em. If they valued the board or the people they interacted with then they should have done a better job of not getting banned or perhaps keep up outside contact information. > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > So magellan01, mswas should be given yet another chance, but Der Trihs should be banned for saying the same kinda shit that mswas did? Really? It would correct the clear atrocity of how right wing posters are treated here. Haven’t you heard, dope mods have it out for right wing posters while leftist pinko commies get a pass. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/113 "2010-02-05T17:01:48Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > So what? They’re free to not use the 24-hour… grace period, or whatever. “Good afternoon, sir or madam. The police have received a great number of complaints about your disturbing the peace, asking us to stop your offensive tantrums. However, it is our official policy to allow you a 24-hour-grace period to continue appearing in public. We of course hope that you will not resume the pattern of disturbance that has everyone in the neighborhood so upset but please understand it is entirely your decision about how to proceed.” “What’s that, Complaining Citizen? Yes, we know that the offender has been cited and jailed on numerous occasions in the past for identical behavior, but Really Not All That Bright has assured us that This Time It Will Be Different. What can we say? We’re helpless in the face of such logic.” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/114 "2010-02-05T17:16:15Z")
Letting a poster post for 24 hours post banning is nothing like letting a suspected criminal be a threat to society. The only damage a poster could do is virtual, and rectifiable. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/115 "2010-02-05T17:22:21Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Letting a poster post for 24 hours post banning is nothing like letting a suspected criminal be a threat to society. > > The only damage a poster could do is virtual, and rectifiable. And there’s no reason to let a banned poster continue to post on the board for any reason at all. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/116 "2010-02-05T17:31:02Z")
Agreed, but comparing the idea to letting a suspected criminal have 24 hours is needlessly dismissive. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/117 "2010-02-05T17:35:20Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Agreed, but comparing the idea to letting a suspected criminal have 24 hours is needlessly dismissive. You’re right. It’s more like kicking out tenants for deliberately destroying your property, but telling them they will not be billed for their damage, and they have 24 hours to get out. Hilarity ensues, but it’s okey dokey because you can always clean up after, right? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/118 "2010-02-05T17:39:50Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > So what? They’re free to not use the 24-hour… grace period, or whatever. Do you mean after they find out they’re banned? Or right after? Think about this – said person might not learn that they’re banned until said 24 hours are up. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/119 "2010-02-05T18:42:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You’re right. It’s more like kicking out tenants for deliberately destroying your property, but telling them they will not be billed for their damage, and they have 24 hours to get out. > Hilarity ensues, but it’s okey dokey because you can always clean up after, right? Closer, but first, I agree it shouldn’t be policy, and second, it’s still taking a virtual world way too seriously, and third, I hate you all. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2010, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552/120 "2010-02-05T19:03:21Z")
Just 'cause I’m in the mood to nitpick, > [@Irishman](#): > > … an ape (meaning gorilla or chimp or orangutan, not humans who are technically great apes). … > [@](#): > > **Hominidae** (Redirected from [Great apes](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_apes)) > > The Hominidae (anglicized hominids, also known as great apes) form a taxonomic family, including four extant genera: chimpanzees, gorillas, humans and orangutans. … Bonobos, chimpanzees, gorillas, humans and orangutans are all “great apes”. > [@Munch](#): > > I’d imagine they’d still be able to access a doper’s user info, which contains an e-mail address (if the doper has provided a public one), right? Um, post 108? Link and everything! CMC fnord! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mswas-banning/527552.md?page=7)