# Multiple Shootings At Fort Hood **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 5, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472 "2009-11-05T21:09:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/301 "2009-11-09T20:25:17Z")
> [@Beadalin](#): > > I suspect you’re right about the urge to categorize and maybe make some political hay out of this incident. I keep hearing reporers mention that Lieberman wants a Congressional hearing to decide if it was terrorist or not, and thus I keep hoping that one of these times, they’ll report what he hopes to accomplish. They’re hoping to keep terrorists from using steroids, thus safeguarding the purity of Major League Baseball. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/302 "2009-11-09T21:07:25Z")
Someone who knows, can you riddle me this? What specifically does the Koran actually say and what do hadith etc. have to say about “making war on fellow Muslims?” The Christian Bible contains moral exhortations that are mostly applicable no matter who you’re interacting with – thou shalt not kill, etc. IIRC to the extent the Bible says anything about “different groups” it’s kind of limited to (1) within your own group (the Church) behave charitably, have all things in common, don’t bring a believer before a secular court; (2) don’t differentiate between Greek and Jewish converts; (3) dealing with meat sacrificed to idols. But nothing about “don’t make war on other Christians.” And, as applied, AFAICT the orthodox teaching on war was basically that IF you could reconcile thou shalt not kill with a general “just war” principle, wars against other Christians were no more or less just than wars against heathens, Saracens, what have you. So theoretically, a Christian soldier who is not a CO from the word go has no more or less moral qualms invading Orthodox Serbia or Protestant/Catholic Germany or Muslim Iraq. Is there in fact a basis in Muslim doctrine under which a Muslim, applying the teachings, would analyze war on other Muslims differently and under a more demadning standard than war on other enemies? My limited knowledge of the Koran suggests to me that there are times when you’re mandated/allowed to treat people differently based on if they are Muslim, non-Muslim followers of Abraham, and none of the above. If he thought he was discouraged or forbidden from killing Muslims [but not others] – was this theologically sound? ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/303 "2009-11-09T22:20:39Z")
[Lawyer ask investigators not to question Hasan](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091109/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting) Ah, the Law has gotten involved finally. Thank heavens. So much for possible instant answers… though I wonder if we may get to see an Insanity plea? What can a lawyer TRY to do in this sort of a case? Try to see if his client can only get life in prison? Or would he try to see if he can get him the least amount of jail time possible? I do have to agree with one thing though- I think it’s going to be pretty dang hard finding a non-biased jury that hasn’t really heard about this case in the US… ---
**Author:** ![slime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@slime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slime)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/304 "2009-11-09T22:24:59Z")
According to ABC news the alleged gunman treid to make contact with al-qeada. I’m sure this was only to ask them to surrender and stop all the fighting in the mideast. I’m sorry I’m not sure how to post a link to the story but it is on google news. Does this change anyone’s opinion on wether or not he’s a terrorist or just nuts? ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/305 "2009-11-09T22:36:12Z")
> [@slime](#): > > According to ABC news the alleged gunman treid to make contact with al-qeada. I’m sure this was only to ask them to surrender and stop all the fighting in the mideast. I’m sorry I’m not sure how to post a link to the story but it is on google news. Does this change anyone’s opinion on wether or not he’s a terrorist or just nuts? I haven’t disagreed with those who have said “a little of both” could be the answer. Religious mania is a well-established species or symptom of mental disorder. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/306 "2009-11-09T22:43:53Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Well, aside from my personal experience in the militray, there are multiple news stories about aggressive, Christian evangelicals in the military betraying their own oaths by trying to impose theocratic and religiose agendas on those under their command. And those guys don’t have the excuse of being mentally ill. When, Where, What Unit? The Army Chaplains I delt with, while being predominantly Chrisitan, were always fair, open-minded, universally kind, and empathetic to soldiers of _all_ faiths. 02/86-06/86: Ft. Knox, KY, Armored Training Brigade 06/86-06/88: H Co. 2/2 ACR, Bamberg, Germany 06/88-11/91: D Co. 1/5 Cav, 1st Cavalry Division, Ft. Hood, TX (w/time in The Desert). 11/91-04/94: L Co. 1/158 AVIM, USAR, Dallas N.A.S., Dallas, TX. I never encountered any Chaplain, Officer, or NCO pushing any faith, or using their rank/authority to brow-beat, overbear, or intimidate _any_ soldier of _any_ faith into Christianity. The worst I had to deal with was one guy in our unit at Hood, a party-time playboy who chased booze and cooze 24/7/365, until mid-August of 1990, when we were told to pack our bags to go to The Desert. Fun-Boy suddenly found God in a serious way, and the worst he did was bore everyone to death always going on about how much he loves Jesus, and was praying for all of our safe deliverance from war. This climate of religious intolerance you purport to have dealt with seriously doesn’t jibe with mine or anyone I’ve talked to Army experiences. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/307 "2009-11-09T23:00:29Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I guarantee that Gen. Casey wasn’t talking about "hurt feelings "counting to make sure every unit has the right amount of rainbow colors or anything, though. If he was, he’d need the shooter to fill out one of [these](http://s194.photobucket.com/albums/z316/c_goodland/?action=view¤t=Navyform.jpg). (you may have to zoom in to read all of it. It says navyform in the URL but its a DA form, A fictional one. ) ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/308 "2009-11-09T23:05:27Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > When, Where, What Unit? > > The Army Chaplains I delt with, while being predominantly Chrisitan, were always fair, open-minded, universally kind, and empathetic to soldiers of _all_ faiths. > > 02/86-06/86: Ft. Knox, KY, Armored Training Brigade > 06/86-06/88: H Co. 2/2 ACR, Bamberg, Germany > 06/88-11/91: D Co. 1/5 Cav, 1st Cavalry Division, Ft. Hood, TX (w/time in The Desert). > 11/91-04/94: L Co. 1/158 AVIM, USAR, Dallas N.A.S., Dallas, TX. > > I never encountered any Chaplain, Officer, or NCO pushing any faith, or using their rank/authority to brow-beat, overbear, or intimidate _any_ soldier of _any_ faith into Christianity. > > The worst I had to deal with was one guy in our unit at Hood, a party-time playboy who chased booze and cooze 24/7/365, until mid-August of 1990, when we were told to pack our bags to go to The Desert. > > Fun-Boy suddenly found God in a serious way, and the worst he did was bore everyone to death always going on about how much he loves Jesus, and was praying for all of our safe deliverance from war. > > This climate of religious intolerance you purport to have dealt with seriously doesn’t jibe with mine or anyone I’ve talked to Army experiences. You know what they say, there are no atheists in a foxhole. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/309 "2009-11-09T23:27:34Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > When, Where, What Unit? For me it was Orlando NTC in the early to mid 80’s. I already posted the link to the previous thread citing widespread abuses. I never encountered any Chaplain, Officer, or NCO pushing any faith, or using their rank/authority to brow-beat, overbear, or intimidate _any_ soldier of _any_ faith into Christianity. [/quote] I don’t believe you. > [@](#): > > This climate of religious intolerance you purport to have dealt with seriously doesn’t jibe with mine or anyone I’ve talked to Army experiences. Your own purported experience doesn’t jibe with mine or anyone else’s I’ve known from the military. I suspect that you just don’t notice it as much when it’s your own religion. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/310 "2009-11-09T23:32:34Z")
> [@Jolly\_Roger](#): > > You know what they say, there are no atheists in a foxhole. They may say it, but it’s bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/311 "2009-11-09T23:45:44Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Your own purported experience doesn’t jibe with mine or anyone else’s I’ve known from the military. I suspect that you just don’t notice it as much when it’s your own religion. I was NRP. I never went to Chapel once in the military; I went a few times at home on Leave, but I was being nice to my Mom. I was friendly with several Chaplains, as that’s part of their job, but never once felt pressured by anyone to “conform” to any percieved dominant religion. So what I noticed had nothing to do with “my religion;” I left religion at home when I left home at 18. But kudos to your effort to try to guilt me by association. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/312 "2009-11-10T00:03:14Z")
Did you get the mandatory group prayers in basic? Did you have to clean heads if you didn’t go to chapel? ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/313 "2009-11-10T00:27:15Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > They may say it, but it’s bullshit. Dio, I respectfully submit, that your response is only your opinion. During the gulf war I saw guys that were hell on wheels in garrison break down and fucking cry for Jesus to save them during a SCUD alert. Off course, thats only my opinion and my small peephole into the army…no, the military as a whole. And I’m not being snarky, but if you were in the navy you may not have been in many foxholes. (not bashing the navy, just saying. I wouldn’t tell a sailor how my opinion of the atmosphere on a ship trumps his real life experience) I don’t have any cites and I’m too lazy to look for them right now, but I have seen stories about religious fanatics (christian variety) trying to make it mandatory for soldiers to attend church. I am not saying its common, but it has happened. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2009, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/314 "2009-11-10T04:10:48Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Bingo. > > Just about every old movie with them goofy Arabs has “Allah akbar” in it somewhere. Old movies with those crazy Japnanese has a “bonzai” in it somewhere. In movies with Russians its “nyet” and “das vidania”. Germans , its “nine”. And so on and so on. > > Most Americans dont speak those languages, but most of em have been frequently exposed in pop culture to a couple of key phrases. All troops going to the desert are exposed to Arabic. Its part of the training. > [@ExTank](#): > > When, Where, What Unit? > > The Army Chaplains I delt with, while being predominantly Chrisitan, were always fair, open-minded, universally kind, and empathetic to soldiers of _all_ faiths. > > 02/86-06/86: Ft. Knox, KY, Armored Training Brigade > 06/86-06/88: H Co. 2/2 ACR, Bamberg, Germany > 06/88-11/91: D Co. 1/5 Cav, 1st Cavalry Division, Ft. Hood, TX (w/time in The Desert). > 11/91-04/94: L Co. 1/158 AVIM, USAR, Dallas N.A.S., Dallas, TX. > > I never encountered any Chaplain, Officer, or NCO pushing any faith, or using their rank/authority to brow-beat, overbear, or intimidate _any_ soldier of _any_ faith into Christianity. > > The worst I had to deal with was one guy in our unit at Hood, a party-time playboy who chased booze and cooze 24/7/365, until mid-August of 1990, when we were told to pack our bags to go to The Desert. > > Fun-Boy suddenly found God in a serious way, and the worst he did was bore everyone to death always going on about how much he loves Jesus, and was praying for all of our safe deliverance from war. > > This climate of religious intolerance you purport to have dealt with seriously doesn’t jibe with mine or anyone I’ve talked to Army experiences. 20 years of active duty and national guard. I never encountered a problem either. Maybe next drill might be different. Or I’m lying :rolleyes: > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Did you get the mandatory group prayers in basic? Did you have to clean heads if you didn’t go to chapel? No and no. The only time I was in the chapel was for a class early on in basic. I spent Sunday mornings sleeping under my bunk, pretending to make it tighter. The Drills didn’t care because they didn’t want to do anything on Sunday morning either. In my 4 years of active duty I never went to church. On my last 2 deployments I didn’t go to church. I never felt pressure to go. I never had anything bad happen to me because I don’t go to church. I’m not claiming that you are lying. I’m sure there are times when it might have been a problem for some people in some units. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/315 "2009-11-12T21:48:19Z")
Bump to give an update about eyewitness accounts and official military storyline. It turns out that the female cop who was credited with taking down the shooter diden’t do it after all. It was a black male cop who brought him down and disarmed him. [http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/us/13hood.html?\_r=1](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/us/13hood.html?_r=1) I’m still not convinced of the “Allahu Akbar” story, although it is clear that he had gone into the deep end of religious extremism. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2026, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/316 "2026-10-07T05:01:48Z")
**Firing squad execution of Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan scheduled for December** > The acting secretary of the U.S. Army said Tuesday that the man convicted of killing 13 people in the 2009 [shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas,](https://apnews.com/article/trump-nadal-hasan-fort-hood-execution-6ab1d9cfb936d00d17c02105ea0a0ead) will be executed by firing squad on Dec. 3. > > In a post on social media, acting Secretary Adam Telle said the execution of Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan will take place at Fort Hood. > > Pentagon spokesperson Sean Parnell had said Monday that President Donald Trump had approved the execution of Hasan. The U.S. military has not carried out the death penalty since 1961. [https://apnews.com/article/fort-hood-execution-nidal-hasan-shooting-rampage-f72c1a8f1c8cf6872b518ea08ffa7035](https://apnews.com/article/fort-hood-execution-nidal-hasan-shooting-rampage-f72c1a8f1c8cf6872b518ea08ffa7035) ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2026, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/317 "2026-10-08T22:54:38Z")
> **[Pentagon says firing squad execution of Fort Hood shooter will be livestreamed](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/pentagon-says-firing-squad-execution-of-fort-hood-shooter-will-be-livestreamed)** > > The Pentagon says the firing squad execution of Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan will be livestreamed after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said the execution would be “public.” ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2026, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/318 "2026-10-08T22:59:57Z")
I just came here to see if anyone had posted that here. This is a bad idea for more reasons than I could possibly name IMHO. Plus, if Christa Pike survived her own execution - let’s just say they already tried the firing-squad on him, and it turned him into a quadriplegic. (I also wouldn’t really want to have been the person who didn’t get into medical school because he was there.) ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/319 "2026-10-09T00:49:39Z")
It’s a barbaric and unnecessary spectacle. I have no words. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2026, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/320 "2026-10-09T01:09:37Z")
To tell the truth, I might just watch out of morbid curiosity. Making a spectacle out of it is gross and clearly just Hegseth acting out his power fantasies, but it couldn’t happen to a more deserving person. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472.md?page=17)