# Multiple Shootings At Fort Hood **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 5, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472 "2009-11-05T21:09:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/101 "2009-11-06T05:52:56Z")
> [@fuzzypickles](#): > > Anti-gun places like Japan and Finland have random shootings just like the U.S., but since innocent civilians aren’t allowed to own guns, the body count tends to be higher. I’m aware that other countries do have random shootings, but a cite please for your comment that the “body count tends to be higher”. In the absence of a cite, an admission that you made this up would be fine too. ---
**Author:** ![Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uosdwis_R.Dewoh)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/102 "2009-11-06T05:53:24Z")
> [@fuzzypickles](#): > > Aw jeez…we’d have these shootings anyway, even without the 2nd Amendment. Anti-gun places like Japan and Finland have random shootings just like the U.S., but since innocent civilians aren’t allowed to own guns, the body count tends to be higher. Where have you got the idea Finns don’t have guns. We have guns up the wazoo. [Finnish Gun Ownership Third Highest](http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2007/08/finnish_gun_ownership_third_highest_248858.html) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/103 "2009-11-06T08:28:07Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > He chose an Arabic name for religious reasons. He didn’t convert to Islam, by the way, but to the Nation of Islam, which is a separate religion (though he has now converted to Sunni). > > The thing is, just because someone has an Arabic name doesn’t mean they’re necessarily Muslim. There are a lot of Arab Christians in the world, and in the US. > > I can even think of one really prominent, government mucky muck who’s a Christian but has an Arabic name. People do not choose Mohammed as a name because it’s Arabic, it’s chosen because it represents the Muslim faith. I don’t know if this person’s name has any religious connotation but he clearly associates himself with the Islamic religion down to the way he dresses. [CNN](http://www.cnn.com/) is showing a video of him at 7 eleven and he had had conversations with the clerk regarding the idea of having to shoot Muslims in Afghanistan. The shooting clearly has connections to his religious beliefs. Whether there is any outside plot connected to this remains to be seen. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/104 "2009-11-06T08:43:56Z")
> [@fuzzypickles](#): > > Anti-gun places like Japan and Finland have random shootings just like the U.S., but since innocent civilians aren’t allowed to own guns, the body count tends to be higher. When was the last shooting spree murder in Japan? I don’t even remember. There was that nerd in 2008 who ran down 5 people in Akihabara with his car and then stabbed a whole lot more with a knife - killing a total of 7. Then there was the guy who shot up a gymnasium a few years ago who killed two people, I think. Other than that…? I think in Japan you get more targeted killings - spouses/lovers killed in quarrels, neigbours killed in disputes, politicians killed as statements. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/105 "2009-11-06T11:29:15Z")
this morning on cnn lt. gen. cone stated that the response from the civilian force was 3 minutes. the woman who exchanged gunfire with major hasan and her partner responded and she hit him 4 times and stopped him, and she was wounded in the exchange. thankfully she and her partner stopped him, and the quick response of everone in that building to the wounded helped keep people alive. it is just jaw dropping that 40 plus people can be wounded/killed in 3 minutes, by one gunman. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/106 "2009-11-06T12:59:54Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’m assuming that since he was an Army officer on a heavily secured military base that he obtained them and brought them onto the base legally. If not, then security at Ft. Hood is atrocious. Normally you won’t be armed in garrison unless you’re an MP or going to a range or something. If my unit were to go to the range today people would be getting their assigned weapons from the arms room, but they wouldn’t have any ammo. Only myself and three other NCOs can draw ammo from the ammo supply point…and the soldiers don’t get any ammo until they are on the range. I knew there would be some fallout here. This morning at 0530 I was going to PT and alongside the contracted security guards at the gate were the MPs. They asked me if I had any weapons in the vehicle and that was the extent of it. But I noticed that they were randomly pulling cars to the side and doing fiull inspections of them. I’m guessing that within a week or so there will be an army wide mandatory stress class or something. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/107 "2009-11-06T13:31:19Z")
Early news reports said he got a bad review and subsequently applied for a position at Fort Hood. Given the accuracy of early reports I wonder if he was bounced from Walter Reed because they wanted to remove him from exposure to politicians that use the facility. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/108 "2009-11-06T13:51:40Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > What do you mean what am I talking about? The 2nd Amendment doesn’t apply to military personnel? This guy was a psychiatrist. I doubt his weapons were standard issue. I don’t want to turn this into a gun control debate either - but I will note that since gun control advocates typically wish to severely restrict or ban gun ownership among civilians and restrict their use to the police and military, when this happens within the military the Second Amendment won’t be an issue. Certainly procedures and controls the military has in place are a proper point of debate, but these are military issues that don’t affect the Second Amendment overmuch. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/109 "2009-11-06T13:57:32Z")
[Witnesses are claiming](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting), although the Army has not confirmed, that Hasan was yelling “Allahu Akbar” while he was shooting. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/110 "2009-11-06T13:59:56Z")
Not a good time to be a muslim in the US army. This fuck has certainly made it harder for others. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/111 "2009-11-06T14:12:48Z")
Was it a random nutjob like McVeigh, or a terroistic act? Inquiring minds want to know. Tragic story all around. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/112 "2009-11-06T14:30:58Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > When was the last shooting spree murder in Japan? I don’t even remember. > (snip) > Then there was the guy who shot up a gymnasium a few years ago who killed two people, I think. Other than that…? Yep, the one in 2007 is the most recent I can find. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/113 "2009-11-06T14:32:44Z")
I’m going to point out that the _first_ amendment doesn’t apply to military personnel, either. At least, not in the way it traditionally does to the rest of the country. Seperate legal system entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/114 "2009-11-06T14:48:35Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > People do not choose Mohammed as a name because it’s Arabic, it’s chosen because it represents the Muslim faith. I didn’t say he chose it because it was Arabic. I said it was an Arabic name that he chose for religious reasons. Both of the names “Muhammed” and “Ali” were Arabic before Islam even existed. > [@](#): > > The shooting clearly has connections to his religious beliefs. Whether there is any outside plot connected to this remains to be seen. This is not clear at all. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/115 "2009-11-06T14:53:30Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > One of the soldiers apparently has an Arab name (Malik Hassan). That’s too bad. If these guys are all Muslims, that’s going to cause a lot of paranoid, Islamophobic backlash. Right. Except for “paranoid,” substitute “factually-based.” [http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-11-05-Fort-Hood\_N.htm](http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-11-05-Fort-Hood_N.htm) Allahu Akhbar! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/116 "2009-11-06T14:54:39Z")
Nope. Still paranoid, phobic horseshit. ---
**Author:** ![Mk\_VII](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Mk\_VII](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mk_VII)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/117 "2009-11-06T14:54:54Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > I’m going to point out that the _first_ amendment doesn’t apply to military personnel, either. At least, not in the way it traditionally does to the rest of the country. Separate legal system entirely. In the sense that it’s a Federal installation, so the base commander’s standing orders trump state laws (on gun ownership, at any rate) ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/118 "2009-11-06T15:02:18Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Nope. Still paranoid, phobic horseshit. Right. He really wasn’t motivated by violent Islamist sentiments. And there isn’t a substantial cadre of others like him. Cite? 'Cause I provided one for his being a violent Islamist, the latest in a series. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/119 "2009-11-06T15:05:48Z")
There is, as yet, no evidence that he was politically or religiously motivated. Mental illness appears to be more likely. Moreover, even if he was religiously motivated, so what? One violent Muslim is no more meaningful than one violent Christian shooting a doctor. Trying to use the incident as an excuse to fear and smear all Muslims is stupid, and paranoid and bigoted. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/120 "2009-11-06T15:08:50Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > There is, as yet, no evidence that he was politically or religiously motivated. Shouting “Allahu Akhbar” before shooting a few dozen people? “No evidence?” That is the jihad cry from day one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472.md?page=7)