# Multiple Shootings At Fort Hood **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 5, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472 "2009-11-05T21:09:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/161 "2009-11-06T17:21:43Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > So, if a person comes into a thread stating that a particular person or group is associated with a regime of terror, it is of no relevance to point out that the person making the claim has a dubious connection to exactly the same thing? Got it! This is a thread about what happened yesterday at Fort Hood. If you want to argue about issues related to the shooting, go for it. If you want to talk about **Huerta88** ’s character and imply negative things about him, do it in the Pit. You’re not allowed to do it in this forum. So take any further comments about **Huerta88** to the Pit and any questions about this decision to ATMB. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/162 "2009-11-06T17:25:51Z")
At a minimum this attack raises some questions about how the military deals with people who are not doing well psychologically and do not want to be in the military. Even among those people, very few would ever do something like this, but it may be a good reason to work on that issue. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/163 "2009-11-06T18:18:57Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > At a minimum this attack raises some questions about how the military deals with people who are not doing well psychologically I’ve been wanting to say, “Physician, heal thyself” and suck up to a Mod since we discovered the guy was a psychiatrist. It has probably become a much larger problem given that soldiers are no often redeployed. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/164 "2009-11-06T18:23:57Z")
Well, now it is known the man is still alive, they need to try and make sure he stays that way. As long as the incident hasn’t overloaded his mental state, considering his profession, it should be interesting to see what he has to say for himself. Maybe he could eventually confess that he was in a dark place, and allow his statements to be broadcast to the muslim world, admitting the wrongness of his actions. There has got to be a way to make a positive out of this, or it is just going to add fuel to a growing fire. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/165 "2009-11-06T18:44:21Z")
Look, the whole “God is Great” thing is pretty much exactly the same thing as “Praise Jesus!” in the south. If you’re going to flip out and die, you might as well die with the Lord’s name on your lips, but it’s not like people don’t use it for other reasons. The question really is, was Major Fuckwad a terrorist or just a spree killer? And we can’t find that out till we find out his motivation. Right now, I’m leaning against terrorist. Nobody’s claiming responsibility. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/166 "2009-11-06T18:44:52Z")
Christianity has been blamed for most (all?) anti-abortion terroristic attacks. Anyone who kills a doctor who performs abortions gets praise and support from anti-abortion Christians. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/167 "2009-11-06T18:54:01Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > The question really is, was Major Fuckwad a terrorist or just a spree killer? And we can’t find that out till we find out his motivation. Right now, I’m leaning against terrorist. Nobody’s claiming responsibility. It may or may not be terrorism, but I don’t think anybody is suggesting this is connected to any terrorist organization. He’d been in the military for about 20 years. ---
**Author:** ![pbbth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@pbbth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pbbth)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/168 "2009-11-06T18:54:48Z")
And now in Florida an office is being shot up. At least 8 people are injured. Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/169 "2009-11-06T19:02:17Z")
I don’t think one has to do with the other. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/170 "2009-11-06T19:02:23Z")
[Article saying the shooter’s car had been keyed and had a bumper sticker ripped off.](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/11/05/national/a124633S09.DTL) ---
**Author:** ![pbbth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@pbbth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pbbth)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/171 "2009-11-06T19:04:37Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > I don’t think one has to do with the other. No, but how much random shooting can happen in a week? I am sure I’m going to have to listen to my parents babble about how this shooting was based on religion as well. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/172 "2009-11-06T19:07:22Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Christianity has been blamed for most (all?) anti-abortion terroristic attacks. Anyone who kills a doctor who performs abortions gets praise and support from anti-abortion Christians. Actually, most times there is anti-abortion violence I see Christian leaders condemn it. If you have seen this praise and support from mainstream Christian groups and leaders I’m sure you would be happy to provide cites, right? ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/173 "2009-11-06T19:10:11Z")
I guess I should have said “fundamentalist Christian extremists.” [Cite](http://www.examiner.com/x-2044-Atheism-Examiner~y2009m6d3-Antiabortion-violence--Christian-fundamentalist-terrorism). ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/174 "2009-11-06T19:13:08Z")
> [@Anne\_Neville](#): > > [Article saying the shooter’s car had been keyed and had a bumper sticker ripped off.](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/11/05/national/a124633S09.DTL) > [@](#): > > The manager, John Thompson, says a fellow soldier allegedly keyed Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan’s car and ripped up the bumper sticker. Thompson says the soldier had been to Iraq and was upset to learn Hasan was Muslim. This is exactly the kind of stupid, mindless harrassment that I fear will increase tenfold now. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/175 "2009-11-06T19:20:55Z")
> [@pbbth](#): > > No, but how much random shooting can happen in a week? I am sure I’m going to have to listen to my parents babble about how this shooting was based on religion as well. People look for connections to make sense of things. It’s easier than to believe in utter chaos. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/176 "2009-11-06T19:26:39Z")
[Just for reference, a Pit thread about the Orlando shooting.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11749234) The alleged shooter has been arrested and one person is confirmed dead at the office building. The killer supposedly was laid off from a job at that office (an architectural firm, I think) two years ago. It’s a freaky synchronicity but there’s no reason to consider a connection to what happened at Fort Hood. ---
**Author:** ![Livardo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/43a26b/32.png) [@Livardo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Livardo)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/177 "2009-11-06T19:39:12Z")
I have to say I’m glad he’s not dead. Often times when this type of event occurs, the guy either offs himself or is shot down in a hail of bullets by police. For once I want to know what was going through the guy’s head when he commited the crazyness. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/178 "2009-11-06T19:55:45Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The fact is, that you were wrong – colossally wrong – when you said that “zero non-Islamist-motivated killers” ever say it. Virtually _all_ practicing Muslims say it multiple times a day. It’s no more a “battle cry,” than “Praise Jesus.” You didn’t read this right, and I am correct, not incorrect. The noun was “killers” and the modifier was “non-Islamist-motivated.” And the statement is essentially 100% true. Of the population of killers, some are Islamist-motivated, some non-Islamist-motivated. The former group are \ likely to launch a rampage with Allahu Akhbar. The latter sub-group of killers are \ likely to do so. The fact that some separate population of non-killers also uses the phrase has nothing to do with what I actually said. Read. It helps. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/179 "2009-11-06T19:59:19Z")
> [@Livardo](#): > > I have to say I’m glad he’s not dead. Often times when this type of event occurs, the guy either offs himself or is shot down in a hail of bullets by police. For once I want to know what was going through the guy’s head when he commited the crazyness. Don’t wish too hard. John Allen Muhammad has an execution date set for four days from now - and in all of this time nobody has received any clear explanation for his actions. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472/180 "2009-11-06T20:02:28Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > For an act to be religious terrorism, I think religion has to be the primary motive. At the moment it sounds like the primary motivation here was Hasan’s desire not to go overseas to a warzone. But I think you and I are mostly in agreement here, and a lot of the facts aren’t in yet. According to CNN he had a conversation with a store clerk prior to the shooting and his conflict was not going into a war zone, his conflict was with killing Muslims. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/multiple-shootings-at-fort-hood/516472.md?page=10)