# Munchkin Mini Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633 "2009-02-13T02:05:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/301 "2009-02-20T18:29:36Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > The problem, **Blaster** , as I understand it, is that we’re not really sure there even is a Rod of Nullification. If there isn’t, then waiting around for someone to Nullify the Helm isn’t going to do us much good. Fair point. But I’m not sure it really matters at this point. If it does exist, you’ll know in the morning, unless it fails or scum have it and don’t use it on you. Either way, you’re not someone I’m worried about getting investigated at this point, so I don’t think it’s worth giving up two watches to pass the item. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/302 "2009-02-20T18:29:55Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > Also, in consideration that I am a Paladin and we also have a second one in **Zsofia** , I would like to propose a split of investigations from us as well, the only thing is that it would require everyone to claim whether they are Chaotic or not up front. If anyone is caught lying, we lynch them > > Lawful Good: No reason to lie. > Chaotic Good: Knowing that you’ll get lynched if you lie, you will want to tell the truth. This forces you to work with the Lawful for our mutual benefit. The only thing you have to do differently is not steal any items from the hoard without first discussing it, and you have to drop an item in the hoard or give it to someone else late in the game. > Lawful Evil: Again, no reason to lie. > Chaotic Evil: You’re stuck in a crappy position. If you lie and get caught, you get lynched an lose. If you’re honest, your scum buddies now know you’re chaotic and know they have to not have any items in your hands which I think could make for some interesting things to observe like perhaps being stronghanded into dropping an item in the hoard or trade items with their fellow scum. > > I don’t see a downside to a claim here since the only information that’s really useful to scum is that they would know which people are Chaotic and just Lawful Evil would know which ones need to not have items, but again, they’d also know that the Chaotic Goods are working with the Lawful Goods and will lose their items in some way or another, so there’s no reason to specifically target them. On the plus side, it gives us an opportunity to potentially catch people in a lie, particularly the Chaotic Evil, and it should all but completely remove any fear of a Chaotic Good win in exclusion of the Lawful Good so that we can work together. > > What do you all think? All in all, I think that’s a pretty good idea, actually. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/303 "2009-02-20T18:31:49Z")
I think you are three days too late. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/304 "2009-02-20T18:33:35Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > storyteller, are you saying that Blaster Master avoiding the game until less than two hours before deadline absolves him? Sach, this is highly disingenuous. Your removal of your vote on zuma does _nothing_ to prevent the disintegration of Blaster Master. Nothing. What it does do is place the fate of the single quietest poster in the hands of someone we have no reason to trust. Why are you insisting that we allow Boozahol to attempt a killing of zuma when you yourself have expressed worries regarding an item which could switch the kill to anyone? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/305 "2009-02-20T18:34:14Z")
BlaM…That you have the gaul to roll your eyes at people for thinking your play is shitty, is even more shitty, imho. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/306 "2009-02-20T18:35:51Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Sach, this is highly disingenuous. > > Your removal of your vote on zuma does _nothing_ to prevent the disintegration of Blaster Master. Nothing. > > What it does do is place the fate of the single quietest poster in the hands of someone we have no reason to trust. Why are you insisting that we allow Boozahol to attempt a killing of zuma when you yourself have expressed worries regarding an item which could switch the kill to anyone? This is exactly the problem I had when Boozahol originally brought it up. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/307 "2009-02-20T18:36:56Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Sach, this is highly disingenuous. > > Your removal of your vote on zuma does _nothing_ to prevent the disintegration of Blaster Master. Nothing. I don’t want to prevent the disintegration of Blaster Master. I want to ensure it. The ideal situation would be fore Blaster Master to vote for zuma to create the necessary tie. Then we aren’t in a position where Blaster Master can avoid disintegration. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/308 "2009-02-20T18:37:34Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > I feel that Blaster Master showing up just before deadline is the most anti-Town thing done in the game so far. Regardless of whether he is Good or Evil, I’m not willing to give him a pass for this. In my mind the entire continuum of Mafia games is at stake here. This type of behavior can not be tolerated. Period. > > Blaster Master Must Die. Seriously? Let’s see, maybe I wasn’t playing because I had real life issues. Maybe I was lurking scum. The reason doesn’t matter, but the bottom line is, it’s fruitless to lynch the lurkers, especially on Day One because you will gain little information from my lynch. Whether or not it was a lack of playing do to meta or in game reasons, what does it matter? But your lack of consistency bothers me. You vote for me for not participating, I show up and you insist even more that I need to die? > [@](#): > > Now that he has shown up, we can’t maintain a tie between Blaster Master and zuma. Blaster Master can too easily vote for zuma and push zuma ahead. By keeping zuma one vote below Blaster Master, we lynch Blaster Master and leave zuma to Squid or something. But I fully expect that if we kept Blaster Master and zuma at a Tie, Blaster Master will survive. No, simple, I can vote for **zuma** now and if you all really want to lynch me, which is just silly since there’s actual information out there to base lynches on, then people can adjust accordingly because then I wouldn’t be able to save myself, because unvoting would doom me. And so, to make the point, I will vote for him, and I’m still one vote ahead anyway. Vote zuma ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/309 "2009-02-20T18:38:48Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > BlaM…That you have the gaul to roll your eyes at people for thinking your play is shitty, is even more shitty, imho. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/310 "2009-02-20T18:39:24Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > BlaM…That you have the gaul to roll your eyes at people for thinking your play is shitty, is even more shitty, imho. Where, uh… whereabouts did Blam roll his eyes at people for thinking his play is shitty, **Cookies?** ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/311 "2009-02-20T18:40:25Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > I’m still one vote ahead anyway. I don’t think you are. MHaye voted for zuma that isn’t reflected in Pleonast’s count yet. By my count Blaster’s vote for zuma creates a tie. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/312 "2009-02-20T18:40:42Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > which is just silly since there’s actual information out there to base lynches on, Feel free to provide this information, as quickly as possible. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/313 "2009-02-20T18:41:25Z")
I and my axe would really like an answer from **Cookies.** ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/314 "2009-02-20T18:43:45Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > I and my axe would really like an answer from **Cookies.** Are you thinking what I’m thinking? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/315 "2009-02-20T18:44:27Z")
You are forcing us to simultaneously digest your claimed information, your proposals, and reconcile it with the information we had previously. This is in a word…shitty, and in an anti-town manner. It fosters chaos and doubt. It leaves more opportunities for mistakes and mis-judgements. Delivering it with condescending hand-waving is also shitty in an anti-town manner. It feels kinda like railroading. Do you acknowledge nothing about the mechanics of this game that might turn the tables on your tired “I will lurk when I want to, and y’all will like it” play? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/316 "2009-02-20T18:45:27Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Are you thinking what I’m thinking? I think so, Brain, but what if the chickens won’t wear the nylons. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/317 "2009-02-20T18:45:39Z")
[quoteWell, hello everyone. Nice to see a whole bunch of nifty discussion dissolve into lynch the lurker which is just, saddening.[/quote] Looks pretty much like an eye roll to me. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/318 "2009-02-20T18:45:46Z")
Two things I’m wishing for right now: 1. Pleonast to update the vote count. 2. MHaye to vote for zuma outside of a quotation. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/319 "2009-02-20T18:46:41Z")
whoops > [@](#): > > Well, hello everyone. Nice to see a whole bunch of nifty discussion dissolve into lynch the lurker which is just, saddening. Looks pretty much like an eye roll to me. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/320 "2009-02-20T18:49:40Z")
FYI: In 10 minutes, I go into a meeting and strongly doubt that I will make it back before the end of the Turn. I mention this since \*\*BlaM’s \*\*arrival has stirred things up and I expect there’s going to be a lot going on in the last hour that I will miss. Thanks, **BlaM**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633.md?page=17)