# Munchkin Mini Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633 "2009-02-13T02:05:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/381 "2009-02-20T19:49:10Z")
Oh to be clearer on where I stand…I am leaving my votes on Blam and zuma to make it crystal clear where I stand on lurking and/or signing up for a game and then just not participating. To both Blam and zuma, this isn’t personal and I don’t have any hurt feelings, it’s business. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/382 "2009-02-20T19:50:13Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > It is still townies using a kill that might not be necessary. If Zuma is town, I don’t want to the scum’s work for them. What \*\*storyteller \*\*said. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/383 "2009-02-20T19:52:04Z")
Tick tock, y’all. Anybody have anything else to say on the subject of Blam vs. zuma vs. everybody else, you have about six minutes-ish. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/384 "2009-02-20T19:55:58Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > **Boozahol** is a Townie? Fair point. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/385 "2009-02-20T19:56:34Z")
Just quickly then. I argued in facour of disintegrating zuma yesterday. I still hold those reasons, plus those just noted. I did not want to disintegrate BlaM, but since he has said he wishes to drop from the game I will accept this and agree to his disintegration as well. I believe that killing both at once is the most efficient use of abilities. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/386 "2009-02-20T19:57:49Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Fair point. Potentially a _crucial_ point. If he is, you’re right, we’ve wasted a pro-Town kill. But if he _isn’t_, we have forced Scum to waste an extra kill on someone we wanted dead in the first place, which is just as good as a scenario where the Scum take him out using other means. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/387 "2009-02-20T20:00:21Z")
OK. I’m going to do nothing with my vote, and let both die. I don’t know that it’s the best way, but I don’t know that it’s _not_, and it will provide us with more information. If I don’t survive to Turn Two, **hawkeyeop** probably deserves some mild scrutiny for failing to consider the possibility that **Boozahol** is Scum, and **Cookies** pings; **Chucara** remains suspicious and **sinjin** slightly less so. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/388 "2009-02-20T20:00:48Z")
Alright, the Turn is over. Give me a bit to sort out the mess. 😃 You’re free to keep talking, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/389 "2009-02-20T20:02:53Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Potentially a _crucial_ point. If he is, you’re right, we’ve wasted a pro-Town kill. But if he _isn’t_, we have forced Scum to waste an extra kill on someone we wanted dead in the first place, which is just as good as a scenario where the Scum take him out using other means. I thought you meant “Hawkeyeop, your slip is showing”. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/390 "2009-02-20T20:05:56Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Potentially a _crucial_ point. If he is, you’re right, we’ve wasted a pro-Town kill. But if he _isn’t_, we have forced Scum to waste an extra kill on someone we wanted dead in the first place, which is just as good as a scenario where the Scum take him out using other means. I maintain that if the scum really didn’t want Zuma dead, and Booz was scum, the death wouldn’t have occured, so I don’t know that we were forcing the scum to do anything. While in the other scenario they definitely would have needed to take out Zuma themselves. It is a moot point now. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/391 "2009-02-20T20:25:19Z")
Continuing my interrupted views on BlaM’s Chaotic Good claim. There isn’t an apples to apples comparison that I can offer form previous games, but my feelings on an unforced CG claim are somewhat similar to someone claiming a Town power role without pressure and without any data with which they can be confirmed. CG is a particular threat to the Evil side of the house because they pose a threat to both the Lawful and the Chaotic sides. I think CG players, by default, probably have more potential targets on them than anyone else. Not a situation you want to be standing up and announcing without a compelling reason. I am not yet convinced that the risk is worth it. Also, CG can be a very convenient fake claim because it has an instant default layer of extra wifom. “I’m CG, and why would I lie about that? Lies get people lynched and I need to live to win.” ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/392 "2009-02-20T20:33:21Z")
FWIW, I have no hard feelings or wounded principles. I feel there is valid strategy to targeting low participation in this game. It is not my intention to take up a torch or pitchfork in a game style witch hunt. I am trying to make my arguments within the context and strategies of this game and not in a metagame fashion. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/393 "2009-02-20T20:43:03Z")
Turn One votes final at post 386. Ten Votes **Blaster Master** : ShadowFacts (198), sinjin (200), Chucara (214), Hockey Monkey (239), Darth Sensitive (243), sachertorte (246), Zsofia (249), [tdpatriots12 (257)-(348)], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (264), storyteller0910 (349), Hawkeyeop (359) **zuma** : ShadowFacts (198), sinjin (200), [Boozahol Squid, P.I. (207)-(277)], Chucara (214), Hockey Monkey (242), ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (245), [sachertorte (246)-(293)], Zsofia (249), tdpatriots12 (257), MHaye (290), Blaster Master (308), [Hawkeyeop (321)-(359)], storyteller0910 (363) Two Votes **Chucara** : storyteller0910 (216), [ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (226)-(245)], Hawkeyeop (282) One Vote **MHaye** : ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (226) **Darth Sensitive** : [ShadowFacts (198)-(240)], [sinjin (200)-(237)], Boozahol Squid, P.I. (207) **sinjin** : storyteller0910 (216), [ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (226)-(245)] ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies: Blaster Master (325) Zero Votes **sachertorte** : [sinjin (200)-(217)], [Chucara (214)-(244)] ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/394 "2009-02-20T20:45:51Z")
**Blaster Master** , the Chaotic Good Halfling or Gnome Paladin with the Amulet of Reflection has been Disintegrated. **zuma** , the Chaotic Good Halfling or Gnome Ranger with the Orb of Healing has been Disintegrated. Items in the Hoard Rod of Disintegration (unstealable) Amulet of Reflection Orb of Healing ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/395 "2009-02-20T20:46:56Z")
_sigh_ ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/396 "2009-02-20T21:03:47Z")
Ok, I take back half of the sigh. It sucks that we lost two Goods. It doesn’t suck that we lost two Chaotics. And I’m wondering if the Evils tried to use a Turn kill and failed. There was certainly nothing stopping them from at least trying to get a third body down on the ground since consensus was already taking care of two of them. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/397 "2009-02-20T21:27:19Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Ok, I take back half of the sigh. > > It sucks that we lost two Goods. It doesn’t suck that we lost two Chaotics. > > And I’m wondering if the Evils tried to use a Turn kill and failed. There was certainly nothing stopping them from at least trying to get a third body down on the ground since consensus was already taking care of two of them. Well, it’s possible we could find that out if someone was Watching the appropriate parties involved. Otherwise, seems like that kind of speculation won’t get us anywhere. I think the real question is: presumably we’ve all gotten reports back from **Pleonast** on our Actions. Do we reveal and discuss them now? Or is that just providing helpful information for Evildoers to guide their Curse? If we keep it to ourselves until the start of the next Turn, do we risk losing valuable info? Well, duh, the answer is yes, of course, but we need to weigh the risk vs. reward. Thoughts, anyone? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/398 "2009-02-20T21:45:59Z")
On the Curse. The Curse, according to the rules, is a delayed-action effect. > [@](#): > > Each Turn they will choose one character to Curse. The Cursed has a high chance of dying immediately before the Disintegration on the next Turn. Only the Evil characters and their victim will know who was Cursed. For example, a character cursed on Turn One would die before the Disintegration on Turn Two. This prevents their use of a power on the Turn they die. The cause of any non-Disintegration death will be revealed as Curse, Physical, or Magical. So the player who was Cursed in Turn 1 may or may not die on Turn 2 (five chances in six) and may or may not be the person we vote to Disintegrate. There was no Curse death on Turn 1 because no Curse was placed in Night Zero. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/399 "2009-02-20T22:03:02Z")
I was not Cursed and no longer have the Helm of Empathy. Thus endeth my report. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/400 "2009-02-20T22:04:06Z")
Meanwhile, is there a downside to the Cursed player claiming immediately? If (s)he is counterclaimed, then we’ve identified an Evil player somewhere; if (s)he is not counterclaimed, we’ve identified a certain Good player. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633.md?page=21)