# Munchkin Mini Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633 "2009-02-13T02:05:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/41 "2009-02-13T20:58:19Z")
Nevermind, another re-read makes it clear that self-nullification is indeed an option. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/42 "2009-02-13T21:10:35Z")
Nullification does more than remove the charges, it destroys the magic item completely, so that it doesn’t count toward victory conditions. Magic items without charges still count. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/43 "2009-02-13T22:55:56Z")
I’ll play. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2009, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/44 "2009-02-13T22:57:50Z")
Yay. The mafia dessert section is complete. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/45 "2009-02-14T02:24:41Z")
Last in. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/46 "2009-02-14T02:35:40Z")
Booze and chocolate who could ask for anything more? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/47 "2009-02-14T03:54:05Z")
Pisser, just missed it. Put me down for a sub! ETA: And now I see there are no subs. Double pisser. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/48 "2009-02-14T03:59:28Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Booze and chocolate who could ask for anything more? Well you could throw some sex in too and a couple of cage dancers but maybe I’m being greedy 🙂 **Pleo, may I be spoiled please?** I don’t have time to play this but I really wish I did - it looks like it’s going to be a good one. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/49 "2009-02-14T04:06:55Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Pisser, just missed it. > > Put me down for a sub! > ETA: And now I see there are no subs. Double pisser. I’m in two games Shadow can have my spot. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/50 "2009-02-14T04:46:55Z")
And our complete player list:01. Hawkeyeop 02. tdpatriots12 03. Darth Sensitive 04. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 05. MHaye 06. Zsofia 07. storyteller0910 08. Blaster Master 09. ShadowFacts 10. sinjin 11. zuma 12. Chucara 13. Hockey Monkey 14. sachertorte 15. Boozahol Squid, P.I.Since we’re full, I’ll send out role PMs soon. Turn Zero will start once all the roles are out and last until Tuesday Feb 13 noon PT (3pm ET). On Turn Zero, everyone may talk freely, including the Evil characters on their secret board, but no powers may be used. **Almost** , I’ll send you (and others who want it) spoilage once things are set up. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/51 "2009-02-14T05:34:48Z")
All roles have been sent out. Please confirm receipt in this thread. **Turn Zero has now started!** And here is the official player list with public roles:01. Elf Magic-User **Hawkeyeop** 02. Half-Orc Illusionist **tdpatriots12** 03. Human Thief **Darth Sensitive** 04. Human Druid **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** 05. Human Bard **MHaye** 06. Dwarf Paladin **Zsofia** 07. Half-Elf Fighter **storyteller0910** 08. Halfling or Gnome Paladin **Blaster Master** 09. Halfling or Gnome Magic-User **ShadowFacts** 10. Elf Monk **sinjin** 11. Halfling or Gnome Ranger **zuma** 12. Elf Cleric **Chucara** 13. Dwarf Thief **Hockey Monkey** 14. Half-Elf Cleric **sachertorte** 15. Half-Elf Assassin **Boozahol Squid, P.I.** Since the game has started, I will no longer answer rules question in this thread. Please PM me directly with any questions you might have. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/52 "2009-02-14T07:53:07Z")
/confirm. And, if I understand the Ring of Limited Wishes correctly, couldn’t a character who has it just alternate recharging the ring and using any of it’s actions every other night? In normal games, I imagine Pleo might disallow this… but this is Munchkin, where vaguaries in the game design are all part of the strategy. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/53 "2009-02-14T09:24:16Z")
Role received. Now for some lute. > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > /confirm. > > And, if I understand the Ring of Limited Wishes correctly, couldn’t a character who has it just alternate recharging the ring and using any of it’s actions every other night? In normal games, I imagine Pleo might disallow this… but this is Munchkin, where vaguaries in the game design are all part of the strategy. No item works infallibly. Each use of the Ring has one chance in six of failing. From the rules posts. Firstly, the Ring has a High chance of working : > [@Pleonast](#): > > _ **Ring of Limited Wishes** _: You may make a limited magical wish. Choose one of: a magic item of your choice (if another character already has it, it will be transferred to you), recharge a magic item you possess, protection from all actions this Turn, or the complete alignment of another character of your choice. **Each effect has a high chance of success.** 1-2 charges. And a High chance means? > [@Pleonast](#): > > **Powers** > > Every power has either a **low** (1 in 6), **even** (3 in 6) or **high** (5 in 6) chance of taking effect. Only the Rod of Disintegration is certain. Sooner or later, the recharge attempt will fail. So it sounds as if your idea should work, until the die comes up 6. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/54 "2009-02-14T14:14:26Z")
Confirming my PM. **storyteller** , did I see you were looking forward to an uncomplicated game? I’ve had to print out the rules and sub-rules for this one. I haven’t had to do that since Pleo’s last game. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tdpatriots12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@tdpatriots12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdpatriots12)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/55 "2009-02-14T14:43:33Z")
/confirmed Good idea, **Hockey** about printing… ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/56 "2009-02-14T14:50:19Z")
/in. And confused. ---
**Author:** ![Chucara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Chucara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chucara)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/57 "2009-02-14T14:56:04Z")
Got the PM, but as many others a bit confused by the setup 😉 Looks fun though. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/58 "2009-02-14T14:57:49Z")
Rules clarifications: When you “watch” someone, you learn who they targeted and whether they used a magical or physical effect and whether or not it was successful. You learn the same information about anyone who targeted them. Assuming the dice rolls come up in your favor (even chance for each). So your watch results will have this form: Pleonast successfully used a magical effect on Almost Human. pedescribe failed using a physical effect on Pleonast. “Magical effect” referes to any magical class ability or magical item effect. “Physical effect” is analogous. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/59 "2009-02-14T16:39:34Z")
Confirmed. Well, at least we don’t have to debate role-claims. According to the rules there is a 5/36 chance that there are 3 Evil Characters a 26/36 chance that there are 4 Evil Characters and a 5/36 chance that there are 5 Evil Characters. The timing of events is novel. The cursed player (killed by scum) doesn’t die until just before the next turn’s disintegration (lynch), but the cursed player will know that death is imminent. 1. The person who gets cursed must announce that he was cursed. Only Good players will get cursed, so this will serve as alignment information for the Turn. Theoretically, Evil characters could lie and say that they were cursed, but I don’t see the utility of doing so. Lying about being cursed doesn’t seem like a good idea\*. 2. The delay in the Cursing Action means we will have access the results of the Cursed’s action from the previous Turn. 3. Ties result in multiple Disintegrations. This is a very powerful loophole. If we can get a large number of confirmed Good-aligned players, we can use ties to mass-kill the unknown set. Of course, since there are multiple opportunities for additional kills, this loophole may not be as helpful as I might think. 4. The Lawful-Chaotic win conditions are not mutually exclusive. Both conditions can be met simultaneously. I’m not sure what the strategy should be for this. Right now, I’m ignoring it. - The only loophole I can here is an Evil no-Curse on a Turn, Evil false-claims cursed, then an Evil Cleric feigning a cure of the curse; but I don’t see such a gambit being a compelling scum-ploy as that is quite a bit of exposure for little gain. Nevertheless, we should remain aware of the possibility. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/60 "2009-02-14T16:45:34Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I’m in two games Shadow can have my spot. YOU ROCK!! Thanks! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633.md?page=4)