# Munchkin Mini Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633 "2009-02-13T02:05:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/821 "2009-03-03T20:06:38Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Too bad they used a knife 😉 So did anyone bother to save me? I didn’t. Sorry ☹ But you have a 16 percent chance of living on your own! ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/822 "2009-03-03T20:15:50Z")
I did. So that’s about doubled your chance of survival (to one in three). ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/823 "2009-03-03T20:17:32Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > I didn’t. > Sorry ☹ > > But you have a 16 percent chance of living on your own! Well, let’s hope **MHaye** and the Orb are successful. You ever going to Cure someone, **sach**? I thought **Hawk** was a pretty damn good candidate. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/824 "2009-03-03T20:23:20Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > I did. > > So that’s about doubled your chance of survival (to one in three). Really, is that it? I thought it was better than that… The Orb description is not particularly helpful. How do you arrive at that number? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/825 "2009-03-03T20:24:29Z")
Turn Four Items in the Hoard: Rod of Disintegration (unstealable) Amulet of Magic Resistance Amulet of Reflection Gauntlets of Ogre Power Helm of Empathy Ring of Invisibility Ring of Limited Wishes Shield of Adamantium Wand of Holding Votes final at post 816. Six Votes **Darth Sensitive** : ShadowFacts (721), Boozahol Squid, P.I. (724), sachertorte (731), Zsofia (756), MHaye (792), sinjin (800) **Chucara** : Hawkeyeop (282), Zsofia (506), sachertorte (731), Boozahol Squid, P.I. (742), [sinjin (762)-(800)], ShadowFacts (776), MHaye (792) Two Votes **sachertorte** : [Zsofia (657)-(756)], [Boozahol Squid, P.I. (662)-(720)], sinjin (676), Darth Sensitive (703) One Vote **Boozahol Squid, P.I.** : sinjin (762) sinjin: sinjin (790) Lawful Good Elf Magic-User **Hawkeyeop** with no items has died due to the Curse. Chaotic Evil Human Thief **Darth Sensitive** with Staff of Command is Disintegrated. Lawful Evil Elf Cleric **Chucara** with no items has been Disintegrated. Potion of Speed, Rod of Telekinesis, and Staff of Command are added to the Hoard. The Helm of Empathy is stolen from the Hoard. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/826 "2009-03-03T20:24:50Z")
I was very close to trying to save Hawkeyeop, but if I cure, I can’t investigate. I opted to investigate while so many items are in the Hoard. Especially the ones that mess with investigations. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/827 "2009-03-03T20:31:41Z")
The Orb and my cure are functionally equivalent (per Pleonast). My understanding is either would shift the probability from 1/6 to 3/6. That’s really weird. Darth Sensitive DID have the Staff of Command. I wonder why he didn’t use it. Also, weird. Chucara had zero items. He must have given it to someone. Are we ever going to inventory who had what and when? Sorry, Hawkeyeop. I was hoping the Orb would be enough. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/828 "2009-03-03T20:33:27Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Chaotic Evil Human Thief **Darth Sensitive** with Staff of Command is Disintegrated. > Lawful Evil Elf Cleric **Chucara** with no items has been Disintegrated. YES! Woo! Hot diggity dog!! _does happy dance!_ Wait, what’s that **Pleo**? Can you say that again? [QUOTE=Pleonast, in a PM] You have been Cursed. You have a high chance of dying before you can act next Turn. [/QUOTE] Poo. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/829 "2009-03-03T20:35:55Z")
ShadowFacts, What was the result of your Turn Action? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/830 "2009-03-03T20:41:03Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > The Orb and my cure are functionally equivalent (per Pleonast). My understanding is either would shift the probability from 1/6 to 3/6. That’s what I thought, but that’s not what **MHaye** said. > [@sachertorte](#): > > That’s really weird. Darth Sensitive DID have the Staff of Command. I wonder why he didn’t use it. Who says he didn’t? > [@sachertorte](#): > > Also, weird. Chucara had zero items. He must have given it to someone. Not necessarily - it could have been blown into the Hoard last Turn. On another note, my action was to Detect Magic on **Zsofia** , who earlier claimed to have the [Something] of Telekenesis. Since she claimed Chaotic with an item that can filch things, I figured I would test her out - if she had more than one item, it would indicate 1. She was lying; 2. She was probably trying for a Chaotic win, rather than cooperating with a Lawful win. The result was that I Detected one Magic Item on her, so that’s a minor plus in her column (IMO). ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/831 "2009-03-03T20:47:16Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > The Orb and my cure are functionally equivalent (per Pleonast). My understanding is either would shift the probability from 1/6 to 3/6. That’s correct but (as per the rules) the Orb started with 1-2 charges. So there was a 50% chance that the dice were tossed with no improvement from the Orb. Chance of the Orb being uncharged and hawk living : 1 in 12. Chance of the Orb having 1 charge and Hawk living : 3 in 12. Because the Orb is either charged or not charged, the two chances simply add giving four in twelve, or one-third. Sorry Hawk. I tried. Oh, and the Orb is now useless without someone to recharge it. I won’t be healing Curses this Turn. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/832 "2009-03-03T20:47:54Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Who says he didn’t? I expected the Staff of Command to wreak major havoc on our information. But we’ve had three investigations lead us to Three Evil. Not exactly confusing the crap out of the Town in my estimation. > [@](#): > > Not necessarily - it could have been blown into the Hoard last Turn. Oh yeah. I forgot about that. I still have my item. And we never really did a full trace of where everything is/was/or should be. > [@](#): > > On another note, my action was to Detect Magic on **Zsofia** , who earlier claimed to have the [Something] of Telekenesis. Since she claimed Chaotic with an item that can filch things, I figured I would test her out - if she had more than one item, it would indicate 1. She was lying; 2. She was probably trying for a Chaotic win, rather than cooperating with a Lawful win. The result was that I Detected one Magic Item on her, so that’s a minor plus in her column (IMO). My investigation failed. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/833 "2009-03-03T20:58:40Z")
**MHaye** , I’m the only one left who can recharge it, but that would require being deCursified by **sach** , of course. In other news, this is who we have left: 1. Human Bard MHaye 2. Dwarf Paladin Zsofia 3. Halfling or Gnome Magic-User ShadowFacts (Cursed!) 4. Elf Monk sinjin 5. Half-Elf Cleric sachertorte 6. Half-Elf Assassin Boozahol Squid, P.I. _01. Lawful [COLOR=“Blue”]Good Elf Magic-User Hawkeyeop Cursed Turn Three and died Turn Four 02. Half-Orc Illusionist tdpatriots12 Cursed Turn One and died Turn Two 03. Chaotic Evil Human Thief Darth Sensitive Disintegrated Turn Four 04. Chaotic Good Human Druid ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies killed by physical attack Turn Three 07. Half-Elf Fighter storyteller0910 Disintegrated Turn Two 08. Chaotic Good Halfling or Gnome Paladin Blaster Master Disintegrated Turn One 11. Chaotic Good Halfling or Gnome Ranger zuma Disintegrated Turn One 12. Lawful Evil Elf Cleric Chucara Disintegrated Turn Four 13. Lawful Evil Dwarf Thief Hockey Monkey Disintegrated Turn Three[/COLOR]_ There are either one or two Evil left, with the odds in favor of only one. So it’s probably 5-1, but might be 4-2. Getting close to the endgame, folks. On another note, why are some player’s alignments listed above, but not others?? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/834 "2009-03-03T21:00:42Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > On another note, why are some player’s alignments listed above, but not others?? The moderator is negligent. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/835 "2009-03-03T21:25:09Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > There are either one or two Evil left, with the odds in favor of only one. So it’s probably 5-1, but might be 4-2. Getting close to the endgame, folks. And we are back to basics for this Turn. That’s alot of re-reading. The Turns are much easier when investigations don’t fail. Did anyone see anything interesting during the Turn? Someone swiped the Helm of Empathy. I’m wondering who. My assumption is Scum did it. I also assume that the action was to specifically take the Helm instead of “any.” My thinking is that there are so many items in the Hoard, that targeting a specific item makes more sense to get something “worthwhile.” I might be mistaken. Sinjin did not take the Helm. Sinjin stated she would drop a speed potion, and a speed potion appeared in the Hoard. Zsofia did not take the Helm. Zsofia stated she had a something of telekinesis and this item is now in the Hoard. Unlike sinjin Zsofia did not explicitly state she was dropping the Telekinesis item. But it’s appearance indicates that Zsofia did not take the Helm. Otherwise I don’t see how the telekinesis item showed up in the Hoard. I investigated, so I did not take the Helm, but you don’t know that since I’m reporting a failed investigation. However, taking the Helm is a silly thing for me to do since I’m the investigator and I don’t need to obscure my alignment from myself. ShadowFacts claims to have detected magic on Zsofia. The results are consistent with expectation so there is no reason to believe or not believe ShadowFacts (neutral) MHaye claims to have used the Orb of Healing on Hawkeyeop. Squid hasn’t said anything and there is no indication of what Squid did this turn. If you are Town, and you possess the Helm, you should state so now and explain your actions. Otherwise my conclusions are as follows: Sinjin: Good Zsofia: Good Me: Good (turned in Hockey Monkey and Chucara) ShadowFacts: Good (turned in Darth Sensitive) MHaye: Claims to have Orbed Squid and Squid lived. Squid: Curse Survivor (Good). Only Curse Survivor (Bad). Makes sense as a target for Evil if he is Good. Makes less sense as a target for Evil if he is Evil. Damn, there are reasons to think everyone is Good. But my top suspect is MHaye. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/836 "2009-03-03T21:31:39Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > My investigation failed. I can confirm that you failed to use magic on her, and that Shadow succeeded. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/837 "2009-03-03T21:35:33Z")
ZSofia, you want to tell everyone what I saw -you- do? Or shall I? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/838 "2009-03-03T21:35:42Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > **MHaye** , I’m the only one left who can recharge it, but that would require being deCursified by **sach** , of course. I don’t think it makes sense to try and revive the Orb. It would take one Turn to pass it to you. One Turn for you to recharge it. By then we should be at the end of the game right? I’ll sit down and do the math later. The delayed Cursed effect thing messes up my thinking. Unless I can determine where the Helm is, I don’t see the point in investigating this Turn. Oh, I just thought of something. Sinjin could have dropped her item AND picked up an item. She can do more than one action each Turn. But the probability of success is quite low right? I suppose Zsofia would be a safe investigation target. She clearly did not pick up the Helm as she dropped the telekinesis thingy. Hmmm. Do I let ShadowFacts face the curse alone or not… ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/839 "2009-03-03T21:36:56Z")
Oh, fuck. I see now that she dropped her item into the hoard. I figured she had stolen the Helm. Please disregard my above post. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/840 "2009-03-03T21:38:15Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > ZSofia, you want to tell everyone what I saw -you- do? Or shall I? If it’s “she did a successful physical interaction with the Hoard.” I’m not interested. Dropping and stealing are not discernable by watching. Why were you watching Zsofia? I guess I shouldn’t ask that. Everyone seems very interested in Zsofia this last Turn! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633.md?page=43)