# Munchkin Mini Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633 "2009-02-13T02:05:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/861 "2009-03-04T15:00:30Z")
Turn One 1. Hawkeyeop detected magic on Darth Sensitive 2. tdpatriots12 Accept Item 3. Darth Sensitive kept secret 4. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies attempt protection 5. **MHaye** watched sachertorte, saw sachertorte fail magic on Chucara 6. **Zsofia** watched Hawkeyeop, saw Hawkeyeop succeed magic on Darth 7. storyteller0910 Passed Helm of Empathy to tdpatriots 8. Blaster Master died 9. **ShadowFacts** used Ring of Limited Wishes on Hawkeyeop 10. **sinjin** focus chi 11. zuma died 12. Chucara kept secret 13. Hockey Monkey kept secret 14. **sachertorte** failed investigation of Chucara 15. **Boozahol Squid, P.I.** failed to stab zuma Turn Two 16. Hawkeyeop ? 17. tdpatriots12 died 18. Darth Sensitive ? 19. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies presumed protection 20. **MHaye** steal Orb of Healing 21. **Zsofia** no Action 22. storyteller0910 died 23. [del]Blaster Master [/del] 24. **ShadowFacts** no Action 25. **sinjin** no Action 26. [del]zuma[/del] 27. Chucara kept secret 28. Hockey Monkey steal Amulet of Reflection 29. **sachertorte** successful investigation of Hockey Monkey 30. **Boozahol Squid, P.I.**? Turn Three 1. Hawkeyeop ? 2. [del]tdpatriots12[/del] 3. Darth Sensitive kept secret 4. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Create Wind, died 5. **MHaye** used Orb on Squid 6. **Zsofia** watched sachertorte, sees sachertorte succeed magic on Chucara 7. [del]storyteller0910[/del] 8. [del]Blaster Master [/del] 9. **ShadowFacts** used Ring of Limited Wishes on Darth Sensitive 10. **sinjin** focused chi? 11. [del]zuma[/del] 12. Chucara kept secret 13. Hockey Monkey died 14. **sachertorte** successful investigation of Chucara 15. **Boozahol Squid, P.I.** stab Cookies Turn Four Items in the Hoard: Rod of Disintegration (unstealable) Amulet of Magic Resistance Amulet of Reflection Gauntlets of Ogre Power Helm of Empathy Ring of Invisibility Ring of Limited Wishes Shield of Adamantium Wand of Holding 16. Hawkeyeop died 17. [del]tdpatriots12[/del] 18. Darth Sensitive died 19. [del]ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies[/del] 20. **MHaye** used Orb on Hawkeyeop 21. **Zsofia** drop Rod of Telekinesis 22. [del]storyteller0910[/del] 23. [del]Blaster Master [/del] 24. **ShadowFacts** detect magic on Zsofia 25. **sinjin** drop Potion of Speed, other? 26. [del]zuma[/del] 27. Chucara died 28. [del]Hockey Monkey[/del] 29. **sachertorte** failed investigation of Zsofia 30. **Boozahol Squid, P.I.** watched Zsofia, saw Zsofia success physical with Hoard, saw sachertorte fail magic on Zsofia, saw ShadowFacts succeed magic on Zsofia Notes: I see now that Zsofia also targetted Hawkeyeop on Turn One. **Zsofia** , was Hawkeyeop invisible during Turn One? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/862 "2009-03-04T15:01:36Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Stealing from the Hoard Theory: > I’m not in the best position to evaluate “stealing from the Hoard” actions since I have other actions that make a stealing attempt a waste of a Turn. So I have a questions for everyone else. > > Background: > Way back on Turn One I made the suggestion that stealing items was an anti-Town action and that maybe we should install a policy against stealing. In other words, if anyone was caught stealing, we would have grounds to kill that player. The only ones to respond to this line of thought was Hockey Monkey (Evil Thief) and Darth Sensitive (Evil Thief). I attributed their response (against) as being motivated by their role. They made up some bullshit scenarios about when stealing would be pro-Town, but I chalked it up to their being Thieves instead of anything else. Now we know Hockey Monkey and Darth Sensitive to be Evil. > > Question: How would a townie view stealing in the context of this game? Would a Townie engage in swiping something from the Hoard? Or would a townie avoid stealing actions? > > Hypothesis: Townies are less likely to steal items than Evil. > > Evidence: By my count Three items have been stolen from the Hoard > > - Hockey Monkey stole the Amulet of Reflection on Turn Two (Evil!) > - MHaye stole the Orb of Healing on Turn Two > - Someone stole the Helm of Empathy on Turn Four (Evil!) > > Conclusion: MHaye is in questionable company. > > Counter-arguments: One can easily see pro-Town motivation in stealing the Orb of Healing. It is a pro-Town only item. My question is: Is taking the Orb an action that a Townie would actually do? So I ask each of you, What were your thoughts on Turn Two? Did you consider taking an item from the Hoard? Did anyone try and fail? Did anyone dismiss the idea for fear of being caught and thought to be Evil? Well, I definitely considered re-taking the Ring of Limited Wishes back from the Hoard after it was blown in there. (Note: this is Turn Three, not Two). But after realizing how difficult that was, and then adding on the extra time it would have taken me to recharge it, I opted not to. Nonetheless, I definitely would have considered it pro-Town to do so. I think one thing to consider about taking items from the Hoard is how difficult it is to get a specific item. There is a base Low chance to get any specific item. So, unless you have some class or race abilities that increase your physical abilities, the chances of actually picking up a specific item are pretty slim. The fact that the Helm got picked up this last Turn is, IMO, either an unlucky (for us) random grab, a very unlucky (for us) specific grab, or was done by someone who is better at physical stuff. I think a look at who has what abilities might be in order. > [@sachertorte](#): > > Shadowfacts, > I would like to know the details of your Turn One Action. > Was Hawkeyeop invisible when you investigated him? Not as far as I know. The reading I got back looked exactly the same as what I got for **Darth** , except for the actual alignment, of course. No mention of invisibility. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/863 "2009-03-04T15:03:30Z")
Turn One Items in the Hoard: Rod of Disintegration (unstealable) 1. Hawkeyeop undisclosed item (Ring if Invis or Amulet of M Resist) 2. tdpatriots12 Shield of Adamantium 3. Darth Sensitive Staff of Command 4. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Gauntlets of Ogre Power 5. **MHaye** undisclosed item 6. **Zsofia** Rod of Telekinesis 7. storyteller0910 Helm of Empathy 8. Blaster Master Amulet of Reflection 9. **ShadowFacts** Ring of Limited Wishes 10. **sinjin** Potion of Speed 11. zuma Orb of Healing 12. Chucara undisclosed item (Ring if Invis or Amulet of M Resist) 13. Hockey Monkey Wand of Holding 14. **sachertorte** undisclosed item 15. **Boozahol Squid, P.I.** Cloak of Elvenkind BM and zuma zapped, putting Amulet of Reflection and Orb of Healing into Hoard storyteller passes Helm to tdpatriots Turn Two Items in the Hoard: Rod of Disintegration (unstealable) Amulet of Reflection Orb of Healing 1. Hawkeyeop undisclosed item (Ring if Invis or Amulet of M Resist) 2. tdpatriots12 Shield of Adamantium, Helm of Empathy 3. Darth Sensitive Staff of Command 4. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Gauntlets of Ogre Power 5. **MHaye** undisclosed item 6. **Zsofia** Rod of Telekinesis 7. storyteller0910 8. [del]Blaster Master [/del] 9. **ShadowFacts** Ring of Limited Wishes 10. **sinjin** Potion of Speed 11. [del]zuma[/del] 12. Chucara undisclosed item (Ring if Invis or Amulet of M Resist) 13. Hockey Monkey Wand of Holding 14. **sachertorte** undisclosed item 15. **Boozahol Squid, P.I.** Cloak of Elvenkind tdpatriots dies dropping Helm,Shield into Hoard storyteller dies dropping nothing Orb is picked up by MHaye Amulet of Reflection is picked up by Hockey Monkey (ha ha too late!) Turn Three Items in the Hoard: Rod of Disintegration (unstealable) Shield of Adamantium Helm of Empathy 1. Hawkeyeop undisclosed item (Ring if Invis or Amulet of M Resist) 2. [del]tdpatriots12[/del] 3. Darth Sensitive Staff of Command 4. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Gauntlets of Ogre Power 5. **MHaye** undisclosed item, Orb of Healing 6. **Zsofia** Rod of Telekinesis 7. [del]storyteller0910[/del] 8. [del]Blaster Master [/del] 9. **ShadowFacts** Ring of Limited Wishes 10. **sinjin** Potion of Speed 11. [del]zuma[/del] 12. Chucara undisclosed item (Ring if Invis or Amulet of M Resist) 13. Hockey Monkey Wand of Holding, Amulet of Reflection 14. **sachertorte** undisclosed item 15. **Boozahol Squid, P.I.** Cloak of Elvenkind Hockey Monkey dies dropping Wand of Holding and Amulet of Reflection Cookies dies dropping Gauntlets of Ogre Power Cookies blows Amulet of Magic Resistance, Ring of Invisibility, Ring of Limited Wishes into Hoard Hawkeyeop had either the Amulet of Magic Resistance or Ring of Invisibility blown into the Hoard Chucara had either the Amulet of Magic Resistance or Ring of Invisibility blown into the Hoard Turn Four Items in the Hoard: Rod of Disintegration (unstealable) Amulet of Magic Resistance Amulet of Reflection Gauntlets of Ogre Power Helm of Empathy Ring of Invisibility Ring of Limited Wishes Shield of Adamantium Wand of Holding 1. Hawkeyeop 2. [del]tdpatriots12[/del] 3. Darth Sensitive Staff of Command 4. [del]ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies[/del] 5. **MHaye** undisclosed item, Orb of Healing 6. **Zsofia** Rod of Telekinesis 7. [del]storyteller0910[/del] 8. [del]Blaster Master [/del] 9. **ShadowFacts** 10. **sinjin** Potion of Speed 11. [del]zuma[/del] 12. Chucara 13. [del]Hockey Monkey[/del] 14. **sachertorte** undisclosed item 15. **Boozahol Squid, P.I.** Cloak of Elvenkind Darth Sensitive dies and drops the Staff of Command Chucara dies and drops nothing Hawkeyeop dies and drops nothing Someone steals the Helm of Empathy Turn Five Items in the Hoard: Rod of Disintegration (unstealable) Amulet of Magic Resistance Amulet of Reflection Gauntlets of Ogre Power Potion of Speed Ring of Invisibility Ring of Limited Wishes Rod of Telekinesis Shield of Adamantium Staff of Command Wand of Holding 1. [del]Hawkeyeop[/del] 2. [del]tdpatriots12[/del] 3. [del]Darth Sensitive[/del] 4. [del]ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies[/del] 5. **MHaye** undisclosed item, Orb of Healing, \*helm? 6. **Zsofia** 7. [del]storyteller0910[/del] 8. [del]Blaster Master [/del] 9. **ShadowFacts** \*helm? 10. **sinjin** \*helm? 11. [del]zuma[/del] 12. [del]Chucara[/del] 13. [del]Hockey Monkey[/del] 14. **sachertorte** undisclosed item, \*helm? 15. **Boozahol Squid, P.I.** Cloak of Elvenkind, \*helm? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/864 "2009-03-04T15:06:41Z")
It occurs to me after reading some of the above posts that people really need to start dropping items into the Hoard! Odds are we have one Evil left, and if we’re lucky we might Disintegrate them this Turn. Anyone with an item left in hand seals the win for Chaotic. Time to start divesting ourselves, methinks, yes? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/865 "2009-03-04T15:07:33Z")
Couple of things: Good MHaye will have 2 Items this Turn, Evil MHaye will have 3. There can be no FRAMING in this situation. - Squid is the only person who can push an item onto MHaye - ShadowFacts detect magic resolves simultaneously with the push and will report the number BEFORE other actions resolve completely. So if MHaye had 2 items and Squid pushed an item onto his and ShadowFacts detected magic on him, ShadowFacts would get a result of 2 not 3. I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion that MHaye is Evil. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/866 "2009-03-04T15:19:00Z")
Oh. I have a PM into Pleonast about the Ring of Invisibility. All other “clothing” type items are passive. So that possession constitutes automatic activation. Amulet: “While you possess this magic item,” Cloak: “When you use this magic item” I asked about these and Pleonast said they are both passive despite the wording. Ring of Invisibility: “Each time you use this magic item,” is different verbiage, so I need to double check. My conclusion about MHaye hinges on this information. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/867 "2009-03-04T15:29:42Z")
Damn. I thought I had it all figured out! The Ring of Invisibility is an Active item (per Pleonast). My theory, which would have definitively pointed to MHaye being scum assumed the Ring was Passive. I’m going to take a break and you know, do work for a bit. I need to re-group. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/868 "2009-03-04T17:52:29Z")
Hello? Anyone else want to take a stab at figuring out who we should zap this Turn? I’m willing to die this turn in a mass kill, “I’m impatient and I want the answers NOW!” move. This is a crazy move, but I’d be willing because it seems so decadent, and I’m almost sure it will result in a Win. Kill: me, MHaye, sinjin, and Squid. Lives: Zsofia Maybe lives: Shadowfacts. Hell, we could just kill off ShadowFacts too! Then we are assured a win! And we get all those pesky items into the Hoard! (That is, if you all agree with me that Zsofia, clearly not picking up the Helm equals Zsofia is Good; if not, nevermind). And Zsofia gets to win too since she lives and has no items! And we don’t even have to worry about unvotes because whoever is Evil would only be able to save a Townie. I know you all weren’t thrilled by my “Nuclear Option\*” idea from before, and I understand why. It’s a shitty way to win the game, but also kind of cool. This multi-kill lynch power is way way overpowered! Let’s abuse it! \*Note, I called it the Nuclear Option for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/869 "2009-03-04T18:02:04Z")
**sach** , you are a crazy mofo. 😃 Nevertheless, the idea is worth discussing. Back later to do so. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/870 "2009-03-04T18:13:40Z")
Oh my God. I went crazy with the !'s in that post too. The only other caveat that I see right now is that if there are Two Evil, which I’ve discounted, but you all need to reach your own conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/871 "2009-03-04T19:29:06Z")
I’m buying that there’s only one evil Character. This game would have ended earlier if there hadbeen five to start with, as Evil characters wouldn’t have voted for Hockey (like Darth did) if we were at LyLo. That was obviously part of a ploy that counted on the game going on beyond that Turn. I’m very convinced that Zsofia is Chaotic Good, and doesn’t have any extra items. And I love the nuclear option, in general. Therefore: **vote: sinjin vote: sachertorte vote: Shadowfacts vote: Boozy Squid vote: MHaye** ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/872 "2009-03-04T19:30:49Z")
Actually, now that I consider it, we should all vote for everyone but ourselves. That will keep Evil from unvoting to save themselves. **unvote: Boozy squid** ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/873 "2009-03-04T19:38:29Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Actually, now that I consider it, we should all vote for everyone but ourselves. That will keep Evil from unvoting to save themselves. Exactly. We won’t have to monitor the last minute of the Turn for sudden unvotes. No one will be in a position to save themselves. \*\*vote MHaye vote Squid vote Sinjin vote ShadowFacts \*\* ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/874 "2009-03-04T20:03:38Z")
That’s a crazy idea, Sach. But, is it a last desperate million-to-one shot (which we know is guaranteed to work) or is it only a thousand-to one (the odds against one of those succeeding being millions to one at _least_)? If it’s a dead cert, you’re handing the enemy team the win. 😉 I’ll chew on it and come back later. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/875 "2009-03-04T20:14:22Z")
There is only one major problem with the Nuclear Option that I can think of so far: trusting **Zsofia**. If \*\*Zsofia \*\*wanted, she could try to pick up an item from the Hoard this Turn, which would destroy the Lawful win condition, handing her and her alone with the win. All this assumes that everyone goes along with the plan, of course, which is another problem, but one that might be solvable. And in case it wasn’t obvious from my post above about putting items in the Hoard, I am Lawful Good, so I don’t mind dying, but I don’t want to give the win away in the process. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/876 "2009-03-04T21:18:16Z")
From the rules: “The game ends when any character meets both of their victory conditions.” The disintegration occurs before Turn Actions, therefore the Lawful Good and Chaotic Good win conditions will be met prior to Zsofia picking up any items this Turn. Furthermore, I have little reason to think Zsofia will pick up an item just to screw with us. She’s not Hockey Monkey, and she has without pressure, claimed Chaotic and dropped her item. If you are so afraid of Zsofia and her Chaotic win condition, then you have to kill her. You can’t be sure she won’t pick up an item during any game deciding Turn. In other words, even if Zsofia picking something up this Turn would muck things up (The rules state it doesn’t), then the same case would be true whether we go nuclear or not. And the same case would be true if the game goes to the next Turn. You are implicitly arguing to kill Zsofia. We either accept that Zsofia is not trying to screw us or we don’t. I feel Zsofia’s Chaotic status is an argument FOR going nuclear. We know she is empty handed now. End the game this Turn by disintegrating everyone and we know the Lawful Good win condition is met before Zsofia can pick up anything. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/877 "2009-03-04T21:32:56Z")
Victory conditions are evaluated each Turn after all actions have been resolved. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/878 "2009-03-04T21:35:57Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > From the rules: “The game ends when any character meets both of their victory conditions.” > The disintegration occurs before Turn Actions, therefore the Lawful Good and Chaotic Good win conditions will be met prior to Zsofia picking up any items this Turn. If I can get this confirmed by **Pleonast** , then the problem is solved. On preview: not solved. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/879 "2009-03-04T21:40:34Z")
Regardless of whether we go nuclear or not, I’m not keen on killing Zsofia just because she is Chaotic. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/880 "2009-03-04T21:44:56Z")
We should decide Yay or Nay on the nuclear option as soon as possible. If we aren’t going to do it, we need to figure out who to kill. I’d rather try and figure that out with more time rather than less. So not to pressure, but we are on the clock. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633.md?page=45)