# Munchkin Mini Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633 "2009-02-13T02:05:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/941 "2009-03-06T18:06:59Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Resolved: > _If there are two Evils, the possible combinations are: **Shadow/Booz, sach/Booz, MHaye/sinjin, MHaye/Booz, sinjin/Booz.** _ In an odd inversion, if there are two evil left, I would dismiss any possibility of MHaye being Evil. While I give him no credit for the Turn 3 vote (because I think there are 4 Evil in the Game), if there were 5 Evil, then MHaye could easily have won the game by voting for me. So I accept that MHaye could be Evil in the 4 Evil case, but reject that MHaye could be evil in the 5 Evil case. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/942 "2009-03-06T18:16:08Z")
All right, let me run this alternative Nuclear Option by you all: We vote to lynch **sinjin** , **MHaye** and **Boozahol**. (At least one of them must be Good and will need to go along with the plan). **sach** , **Zsofia** and I mirror one of them each, like we did with **Chucara** and **Darth** , so there can be no last minute voting shenanigans. Any items they have go to the Hoard. I die from the Curse, so any items I might have (I don’t have any) go to the Hoard. **sach** drops his item(s) into the Hoard. As a backup, **Zsofia** bashes him. End result should be **sach** and **Zsofia** alive. **Zsofia** wins as Chaotic Good, Lawful Good wins. Of course, this plan assumes that **sach** is Good and **Zsofia** plays along. It’s not foolproof, but it’s close, and does not rely on Evil to participate. What do you think? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/943 "2009-03-06T18:22:33Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > All right, let me run this alternative Nuclear Option by you all: > > We vote to lynch **sinjin** , **MHaye** and **Boozahol**. (At least one of them must be Good and will need to go along with the plan). **sach** , **Zsofia** and I mirror one of them each, like we did with **Chucara** and **Darth** , so there can be no last minute voting shenanigans. Any items they have go to the Hoard. > > I die from the Curse, so any items I might have (I don’t have any) go to the Hoard. > > **sach** drops his item(s) into the Hoard. As a backup, **Zsofia** bashes him. > > End result should be **sach** and **Zsofia** alive. **Zsofia** wins as Chaotic Good, Lawful Good wins. > > Of course, this plan assumes that **sach** is Good and **Zsofia** plays along. It’s not foolproof, but it’s close, and does not rely on Evil to participate. What do you think? I’d be OK with your plan, if it didn’t run the risk of losing to an Evil Sach - something I have not actually ruled out. (It’s as unlikely as all get-out, but trust the game to it? Are you that confident? I’d be prepared to leave Zsofia alive, but not Zsofia and Sach. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/944 "2009-03-06T18:22:40Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > All right, let me run this alternative Nuclear Option by you all: > > We vote to lynch **sinjin** , **MHaye** and **Boozahol**. (At least one of them must be Good and will need to go along with the plan). **sach** , **Zsofia** and I mirror one of them each, like we did with **Chucara** and **Darth** , so there can be no last minute voting shenanigans. Any items they have go to the Hoard. > > I die from the Curse, so any items I might have (I don’t have any) go to the Hoard. > > **sach** drops his item(s) into the Hoard. As a backup, **Zsofia** bashes him. > > End result should be **sach** and **Zsofia** alive. **Zsofia** wins as Chaotic Good, Lawful Good wins. > > Of course, this plan assumes that **sach** is Good and **Zsofia** plays along. It’s not foolproof, but it’s close, and does not rely on Evil to participate. What do you think? Eh. I don’t hate it. And I see what you are trying to set up. Possible problems: I have someone dropping in this afternoon. I can not guarantee my presence at 3PM today. Also, are you sure you want me to drop instead of cure? It’s your life so I’ll do what you say. I’m sure Pleonast will love my changing my action again. 🙂 I’m fine with any plan that involves sinjin dying. Hell, I’d support a sinjin/sachertorte dual lynch at this point. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/945 "2009-03-06T18:28:20Z")
On Items. I have two, one of which is the now-discharged Orb of Healing. As you might guess, it’s the other item that has caused me hesitation over agreeing to put them in the Hoard. I started the game with Bracers of Defence. By my reckoning, they’ve faced two or three attacks already. One was when I sprung Boozy’s traps to use the Orb on him. The other was DarkCookies’ summoning of the Great Wind. I don’t know whether the Wind made one attack on me, or one for each item. Whichever it is, there’s a significant chance that the item will no longer protect me. I have no way of finding out, either Consequently, I am willing to put them into the Hoard, to reassure Lawful types that I am no threat to them (even though I am, myself, Lawful. I mean, why believe me?) ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/946 "2009-03-06T18:35:03Z")
We have an hour and a half to get our shit together. Less, since MHaye is going out, like right now. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/947 "2009-03-06T18:44:04Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > We have an hour and a half to get our shit together. Less, since MHaye is going out, like right now. I know, and this is partially my fault for not getting my act together sooner. I’m sorry about that, but I didn’t have time to do the kind of analysis needed to get my head straight until recently. I don’t think we’re going to be able to do my plan or\*\* sach’s\*\* nuclear option at this point. Not enough time to coordinate. So what’s the fallback? I don’t know. I’m not convinced that **sinjin** is Evil. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/948 "2009-03-06T18:44:16Z")
**Unvote Sinjin** I clear my vote so that if you decide on the nuclear option, you won’t have to distort actions to deal with my vote. Whatever befalls, I consider Sinjin the most likely to be Evil, then Boozy, then Sach. ShadowFacts is very unlikely to be Evil, and Zsofia not at all. See you either next turn, or in the aftermath. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/949 "2009-03-06T18:47:39Z")
The nuclear option is off the table. Vote for who you want dead. **unvote ShadowFacts unvote Squid unvote MHaye** ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/950 "2009-03-06T18:53:05Z")
fuckin’ A, I cannot figure out the best plan right now. For now: **vote MHaye** ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/951 "2009-03-06T18:57:40Z")
Shadowfacts, you should check out whichever of MHaye or sinjin ends up living. If you happen to live, then knowing if one of them has the Helm or not will be useful information. Of course, if you live, I will probably want to kill you. But if you are Good, you know that finding out the information is critical. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/952 "2009-03-06T18:58:21Z")
I don’t think we have enough time to ensure everybody can do it. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/953 "2009-03-06T18:59:22Z")
Sorry, I didn’t see that we already kind of decided that. I am torn of a muchness on who to vote for, so I guess I’ll go with my uncertain gut. vote sinjin ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/954 "2009-03-06T19:02:57Z")
For the record, since we’ve bounced back and forth. My Turn Action for Turn Five is to drop all items (Sword of Dancing) into the Hoard. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/955 "2009-03-06T19:03:25Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Shadowfacts, you should check out whichever of MHaye or sinjin ends up living. If you happen to live, then knowing if one of them has the Helm or not will be useful information. > > Of course, if you live, I will probably want to kill you. But if you are Good, you know that finding out the information is critical. Already done. And you should drop your item - don’t try to cure me. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/956 "2009-03-06T19:04:34Z")
Heh. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/957 "2009-03-06T19:06:04Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > For the record, since we’ve bounced back and forth. > My Turn Action for Turn Five is to drop all items (Sword of Dancing) into the Hoard. Wait, I thought I was bashing you? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/958 "2009-03-06T19:14:25Z")
I think ShadowFacts wants us to do both. Personally, I think you should do something else. If I fail to drop my item, I think you all would be justified in killing me (if the game doesn’t end this Turn). But if you can’t think of anything else to do, then forcing me or MHaye (if he lives, which it looks like he will) to drop is as good an action as any, I guess. Whatever. It’s up to you Zsofia. Not that you even care if I’m Lawful or Chaotic. Or MHaye for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/959 "2009-03-06T19:15:18Z")
Never mind. I changed my action. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633/960 "2009-03-06T19:21:58Z")
OK, well, after **Zsofia’s** vote, it looks like there is no way that **sinjin** is not going to die. Fine - I think we have a lynch to burn. The question I am asking myself is: is it better to lynch just **sinjin** or **sinjin** and **MHaye** both? Situation now: ShadowFacts (Cursed) sachertorte sinjin Zsofia MHaye Boozahol If we lynch just sinjin and the game is not over: sachertorte Zsofia (presumably Cursed - that’s what I’d do) MHaye Boozahol In this scenario, whether sinjin comes up Good or Evil, there is one Evil left or the game would be over. I strongly think that sach and Zsofia are Town, so they will have to decide between MHaye and Boozahol. If we lynch both sinjin and MHaye the game is not over: sachertorte Zsofia (presumably Cursed - that’s what I’d do) Boozahol In this scenario, at least one of MHaye or sinjin will come up Good, but however that shakes out, there is one Evil left or the game would be over. The Evil player is obviously Boozahol - game over. So, assuming that sach and Zsofia are Town - and I strongly believe that - it is better to lynch both MHaye and sinjin. I am in a bit of a hurry here, but I think I got it right. Any critique? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/munchkin-mini-mafia/485633.md?page=49)