# Murder by Deportation **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527 "2019-08-31T17:49:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/1 "2019-08-31T17:49:51Z")
[From the NYT](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/29/us/immigrant-medical-treatment-deferred-action.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage): > [@](#): > > LOS ANGELES — Maria Isabel Bueso was 7 years old when she came to the United States from Guatemala at the invitation of doctors who were conducting a clinical trial for the treatment of her rare, disfiguring genetic disease. The trial was short on participants, and thanks to her enrollment, it eventually led the Food and Drug Administration to approve a medication for the condition that has increased survival by more than a decade. > > Now 24, Ms. Bueso, who had been told she likely would not live past adolescence, has participated in several medical studies. She has won awards for her advocacy on behalf of people with rare diseases, appearing before lawmakers in Washington and in Sacramento. Over the years, her parents have paid for the treatment that keeps her alive with private medical insurance. > > But last week, Ms. Bueso received a letter from the United States government that told her she would face deportation if she did not leave the country within 33 days, an order described by her doctor, lawyer and mother as tantamount to a “death sentence.” The story gives more specific examples of persons who would likely die if they were removed from the experimental treatments they’re benefiting from. There’s no process for appeal, just leave in 33 days, or get deported. For those of you who can’t get around the NYT firewall, Vanity Fair pulls together coverage from a number of sources [here](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/medical-deferred-action-deportations). It’s hard to top ‘kids in cages’ but they’ve managed. As soon as Trump is out of the White House, it’s time for our own Nuremberg trials. Everyone associated with these policies should live out their days in Gitmo. Oh, and impeach the motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/2 "2019-08-31T17:54:34Z")
Oh, this is a different form of murder by deportation than [the one where they sent a mentally ill diabetic to a country he never visited and couldn’t speak the language of](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/08/jimmy-aldaoud-iraq-deported-diabetic-detroit/). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/3 "2019-08-31T18:40:04Z")
I am clinging to the belief that outrage will sweep across the nation, and they will stand down. Turns out, it was all just a big ol’ misunderstanding, of course we didn’t mean anything like that! Then they will give us that look like they are shocked shocked that we would even think such a thing! ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/4 "2019-08-31T18:55:52Z")
Brought to you, I’m sure, by Stephen Miller. The Reinhard Heydrich of the trump administration. (I Googled him to get the spelling right. He even looks like Miller, only not as creepy.) > **[Reinhard Heydrich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich)** > > Reinhard Tristan Eugen Heydrich (/ˈhaɪdrɪk/ HEYE-drik; German: \[ˈʁaɪnhaʁt ˈtʁɪstan ˈʔɔʏɡn̩ ˈhaɪdʁɪç\] (listen); 7 March 1904 – 4 June 1942) was a high-ranking German SS and police official during the Nazi era and a principal architect of the Holocaust. > He was chief of the Reich Security Main Office (including the Gestapo, Kripo, and SD). He was also Stellvertretender Reichsprotektor (Deputy/Acting Reich-Protector) of Bohemia and Moravia. He served as president of the International Criminal P... ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/5 "2019-08-31T19:06:57Z")
Learned about this about a week ago as Maddow has covered it extensively since they first learned of it. I’m so disgusted by Trump Republicans. Not a shred of basic human decency penetrates their midst. I can’t wait to kick them all to the curb and then lobby to prosecute them for their myriad crimes. There should be tribunals at The Hague. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/6 "2019-08-31T19:11:35Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I am clinging to the belief that outrage will sweep across the nation, and they will stand down. Turns out, it was all just a big ol’ misunderstanding, of course we didn’t mean anything like that! Then they will give us that look like they are shocked shocked that we would even think such a thing! Between the holiday weekend and Hurricane Dorian, I doubt there will be much general outrage in the immediate future. But Congress is aware: more than 100 Congresscritters have signed a letter requesting/demanding answers, and the heads (“acting” in both cases) of CIS and ICE have been summoned to testify. For what that’s worth. As time goes on it becomes more and more apparent (to me) that the malAdministration was depending on this atrocity going unnoticed. That would explain CIS’s flailing attempts to fob everything off on a nonexistent ICE program (despite the fact that no such program was mentioned in the “get out of Dodge by sundown” letters), and ICE throwing it right back again with an assertion that they were not in the business of evaluating individual cases. If nothing else, I would expect some serious litigation come Tuesday. But this bunch of clowns has shown contempt for the law many times in the past, so we’ll just have to see. (And yes, this has Stephen Miller’s cloven footprints all over it.) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/7 "2019-09-01T02:27:34Z")
Yes, if anything ever called for a preliminary injunction this has to be it. I do hope this gets before a Circuit Court judge _tout de suite_. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/8 "2019-09-01T13:25:06Z")
An injunction to whom? Both the major agencies deny that its them. Which, I guess, means that nobody is authorized to enforce this policy, so nobody can be enjoined not to. Maybe that’s the…plan? Just scare them into leaving, since there is nobody to plead to. Nobody will be sent to kick them out, nobody’s budget is impacted. Perhaps they will send a brochure to the parents, “How to Tell Your Child Its Time to Go Die-Die”. I try not to hate, but the bastards are wearing me down. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/9 "2019-09-01T13:49:04Z")
The letters state that if the recipient(s) do not leave within the prescribed 33 days they are liable to be brought before a [DEL]star chamber[/DEL] immigration court for deportation. So I suppose an injunction to any government agency against taking such action regarding anyone in the medical deferment program (or anyone with a current application) would be a start. I agree that in the end they — whoever “they” are — will stand down and pretend they were misunderstood all along (and I kind of pity the GS-2 drone who will take the blame). Then start working on another, more subtle ploy against the most vulnerable among the undesirables. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/10 "2019-09-01T16:05:32Z")
Would it be hyperbolic to compare this to gas chambers? ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/11 "2019-09-01T16:27:49Z")
I still haven’t gotten over my disappointment in this country, and then I hear about things like this. I guess when the Republicans say liberals “hate America,” it’s true in my case because I do hate it now. And I don’t know why anyone would want to come to this shithole except for really desperate people. Republicans don’t see how unattractive they are making the US for anyone who has a choice not to come here/live here. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/12 "2019-09-01T16:43:55Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > [From the NYT](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/29/us/immigrant-medical-treatment-deferred-action.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage): > The story gives more specific examples of persons who would likely die if they were removed from the experimental treatments they’re benefiting from. There’s no process for appeal, just leave in 33 days, or get deported. > > For those of you who can’t get around the NYT firewall, Vanity Fair pulls together coverage from a number of sources [here](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/medical-deferred-action-deportations). > > It’s hard to top ‘kids in cages’ but they’ve managed. As soon as Trump is out of the White House, it’s time for our own Nuremberg trials. Everyone associated with these policies should live out their days in Gitmo. > > Oh, and impeach the motherfucker. Seconded. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/13 "2019-09-01T16:50:17Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > Republicans don’t see how unattractive they are making the US for anyone who has a choice not to come here/live here. Um, no, that is entirely by design. In their shriveled pea sized lizard brains, they imagine that by engaging in all of these atrocities, the word is getting back to “those people” that they shouldn’t try to come to the US at all. Of course, the “right kind of people” can afford to come here through whatever methods (yes, lots of them do it illegally too! cough {Melania} cough), but they don’t get stuck in cages or deported. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/14 "2019-09-01T16:59:41Z")
And if you’re a white person who has no interest in going to a place that’s less and less welcoming, well then, you’re just a race traitor. BTW, this part of the quote in the OP: > [@](#): > > Now 24, Ms. Bueso, who had been told she likely would not live past adolescence, has participated in several medical studies. She has won awards for her advocacy on behalf of people with rare diseases, appearing before lawmakers in Washington and in Sacramento. Over the years, her parents have paid for the treatment that keeps her alive with private medical insurance. She doesn’t even get the treatment for free even though it wouldn’t even exist without her? Damnit guys, your lab rats get better medical than your human cobayas! ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/15 "2019-09-01T17:37:43Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > Um, no, that is entirely by design. > > In their shriveled pea sized lizard brains, they imagine that by engaging in all of these atrocities, the word is getting back to “those people” that they shouldn’t try to come to the US at all. > > Of course, the “right kind of people” can afford to come here through whatever methods (yes, lots of them do it illegally too! cough {Melania} cough), but they don’t get stuck in cages or deported. Well, but he wants Norwegians to come. I don’t know why they would, though, since they already have a decent place to live that has things we don’t, like UHC. Most of them probably don’t need to come here to get a job unless it’s a special situation, probably not that common. I guess he’s trying to attract the ones that are super wealthy and want to pay less in taxes and pay for only their own health care and not contribute to the general welfare. That must be the plan. ---
**Author:** ![Translucent\_Daydream](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/translucent_daydream/32/16170_2.png) [@Translucent\_Daydream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Translucent_Daydream)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/16 "2019-09-01T18:39:31Z")
Where are all the conservative usuals on the board? Wouldn’t they want to react to this? They can’t think this shit is a good thing, can they? ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/17 "2019-09-01T23:26:16Z")
> [@Translucent\_Daydream](#): > > Where are all the conservative usuals on the board? Wouldn’t they want to react to this? They can’t think this shit is a good thing, can they? If they’re anything like the ones I know in real life, the answer is: “you liberals are hypocrites. Obama deported people too. The media hates Trump and tells lies. If I can’t get free medical care, why should we pay for foreigners to get it? Let’s take care of our own people first!” ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2019, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/18 "2019-09-01T23:30:13Z")
In other words, they will do anything they can to not state a position on whether deportation that will lead to guaranteed death is morally wrong, because they can’t manage to admit that their party is doing anything morally questionable. Ever. They’ve invested their intellect and emotion in the Republicans being 100% right, and so when they do something that is 100% wrong they stick their heads in the sand and refuse to see it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/19 "2019-09-02T03:04:17Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Learned about this about a week ago as Maddow has covered it extensively since they first learned of it. > > I’m so disgusted by Trump Republicans. Not a shred of basic human decency penetrates their midst. I can’t wait to kick them all to the curb and then lobby to prosecute them for their myriad crimes. There should be tribunals at The Hague. At this point, I’d be fine if they followed trials and convictions with permanent incarceration - with no chance of release EVER. If the fuckers cry that it’s too harsh, then take them right outside and string them up instead. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527/20 "2019-09-02T04:00:31Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > If they’re anything like the ones I know in real life, the answer is: “…The media hates Trump and tells lies…” Yeah, when I ask Trumpsters about watching a live feed of Trump, say, giving an unhinged Q & A with the press on the South Lawn of the White House, my question is “Am I seeing something different on CNN live than I would be if I turned to Fox?” Just one recent example (because there are now 1000s to choose from): Did Trump only claim he was the “Chosen One” on the liberal media feeds? Fox had something different? How is it the media “lying” or “Fake News” when Trump lies or says something bizarre on live TV? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murder-by-deportation/839527.md?page=2)