I am fascinated and perplexed by Jim’s fixation on the perils of the attached garage.
That should be cut down to 5 minutes, max.
Does Mazda reimburse you for the wasted gas?
We don’t use it frequently, and the only reason we even discovered what the shutdown time was, was getting delayed in getting to the garage when we’d used it to warm up the car on a very cold night.
I have a 2010 Lexus with keyless entry and pushbutton (but not remote) start, and the other day I got out of the car and tried to lock it, but it just kept giving me a long loud warning beep. I learned a while ago that it will do this if you try to lock it with a fob inside the car, so I was looking for my wife’s purse, to see if she had left her fob inside. (She had walked on ahead of me.) Not there.
I just kept trying to lock it, and it kept refusing and beeping, and I was getting really annoyed. Finally I realized that I hadn’t shut the engine off. I was in an outdoor parking lot, and it wasn’t very noisy, but the engine was so quiet I hadn’t noticed it was still running. :smack:
So here’s one data point of a car that won’t let you lock it while it’s still running. Of course, I imagine that relatively few people who park in their attached garage bother locking their cars (I don’t), so not terribly relevant to the OP or the other scenarios discussed here.
People have been forgetting to turn off their cars and dying from CO long before the advent of push button start. It’s curious that the article doesn’t include any statistics about CO deaths where the cars left running had traditional ignition systems. Probably because there isn’t much difference.
kenobi 65, you’re going to give Jim Peebles a conniption fit if you don’t come back and let us know that you open your garage door before remote starting your car in the winter.
It’s a detached garage. 
Murdering people just isn’t that difficult, and keyless ignition doesn’t make it significantly easier.
The thing I was getting at about a manual transmission was that it’s not really something that could be hacked and taken over or through some weird problem like those cars had a while back of being stuck accelerating was that you could simply put the car in neutral if you had a problem, I wasn’t talking about fuel efficiency or anything like that.
I very much doubt that the same number of people were leaving their cars running in the garage when most people had a key ignition.
It makes it a lot easier not to get caught. Who is going to suspect it wasn’t the owner’s mistake?
And as for why I am interested in attached garages. I’m not. I have one. I wish it was detached. I don’t park in it. Maybe it is weird I am looking out to not get CO poisoned. This was motivated by the “solutions to problems that don’t exist thread” where someone else brought up CO poisoning via car in attached garage first.
The chances of that happening are very low (although non-zero) and there are a few pretty easy steps to eliminate nearly all of the risk. The advantages of being able to park in a garage would seem to outweigh the small and manageable risk.
I think cars garaged in really cold climates have had engine warmers and remote starters for ages. The key fob technology is new, so that’s what I thought the discussion was about.
I wonder how many people in Minnesota have gotten killed by remote starters. I suppose if you have a garage you don’t really need one.
When I was a kid I was nearly killed by a car slipping park in a sloped parking lot. I was in the back seat and was about to get out the driver’s side. My mother told me to get out the other side (I suppose to build the habit when parked on the street.) Just as I was closing the door, thump, a car smashed right into the rear driver side door.
I have no idea if that car had an automatic or manual transmission. I always set the parking brake, so the person Jim Peebles returned his car to had never dealt with me.
Easy enough: just make sure you shut off the car when you park it in your garage. To fail at this requires that you be both absent-minded and hard of hearing (so you don’t hear the engine still running while you walk away from the car). And as I mentioned upthread, the fail-safe is to have a CO monitor in your house - which you should have regardless of whether you own an attached garage and park fossil-fueled cars in it.
If your car is not equipped with a remote-start feature, you don’t have to worry about someone else surreptitiously starting it.
The other thing you can do to not get CO poisoned is to install a CO alarm (or more than one depending on the size of your house). In the town where my parents live, they were given away by the volunteer fire department.
Is that not literally the entire purpose of a key?
I drive a 2003 Pontiac. I might be too dumb to start a modern car.
Whatever happened to turning into the curb when parking on a hill?
All those millions of people who sleep in their garages?
CO doesn’t magically know where the garage ends and the house begins.
Our bedrooms are directly over the garage. I have a CO detector, which was in our bedroom that day, and Mrs. FtG left the car running in the garage a little extra long (with the garage door open) and the detector went off.
The current lawsuit about the remote start/keyfob thing is due to the multiple deaths of people not in their garage and unaware the engine was running!
You really, really have to treat CO with respect.