# Murderers: Israel blows up a crowd of protestors, killing and wounding dozens **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 19, 2004, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murderers-israel-blows-up-a-crowd-of-protestors-killing-and-wounding-dozens/245994 "2004-05-19T17:39:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murderers-israel-blows-up-a-crowd-of-protestors-killing-and-wounding-dozens/245994/241 "2004-05-28T15:16:20Z")
Originally posted by **sevastopol** > [@](#): > > _I agree with gum. I also don’t see a necessary contradiction between supporting Zionism and supporting the aspirations of the majority of Palestinian people._ huh? ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murderers-israel-blows-up-a-crowd-of-protestors-killing-and-wounding-dozens/245994/242 "2004-05-28T15:27:20Z")
…concerning **Noone Special** [insert paragraph space][continue as otherwise] Though while I’m here, to save persons looking it up, here’s a quote > [@](#): > > The PNC met in a special session on 26 April 1996 to consider the issue of amending the Charter and adopted the following decision: > > A. The Palestinian National Charter is hereby amended by canceling the articles that are contrary to the letters exchanged the P.L.O. and the Government of Israel > 9-10 September 1993. > … > The decision was adopted by a vote of: **504 in favor** , _54 against_, and 14 abstentions. > … > In December 1998, both the PLO Executive Committee and the PLO Central Council reaffirmed this decision ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2004, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murderers-israel-blows-up-a-crowd-of-protestors-killing-and-wounding-dozens/245994/243 "2004-05-30T00:36:53Z")
> [@sevastopol](#): > > In contrast, **FinnAgain** , is dishonest and laden with moral flaws, a discredit to any cause. Nothing new in saying this. To be brief then: Wow. You forgot that I eat babies under the full moon. > [@sevastopol](#): > > _Charter_: Does not, in fact call for genocide, does it now. I don’t know… from the link you sent me > [@](#): > > Article 22: Zionism is a political movement organically associated with international imperialism and antagonistic to all action for liberation and to progressive movements in the world. It is racist and fanatic in its nature, aggressive, expansionist, and colonial in its aims, and fascist in its methods. Israel is the instrument of the Zionist movement, and geographical base for world imperialism placed strategically in the midst of the Arab homeland to combat the hopes of the Arab nation for liberation, unity, and progress. Israel is a constant source of threat vis-a-vis peace in the Middle East and the whole world.\*\* Since the liberation of Palestine will destroy the Zionist and imperialist presence\*\* and will contribute to the establishment of peace in the Middle East, the Palestinian people look for the support of all the progressive and peaceful forces and urge them all, irrespective of their affiliations and beliefs, to offer the Palestinian people all aid and support in their just struggle for the liberation of their homeland. But luckily, there’s an amendment. After Oslo… Which arafat does not list on his own resume in Arabic but does in English. > [@sevastopol](#): > > Secondly, the charter has no particular significance. It’s not a constitution or binding document of any description. Nor is it any sort of prayer, statement of aspirations or teaching aid. It’s been overtaken by events. As others have pointed out, if it’s not significant, why are the amendments? If it is significant, why are you ignoring that the founding of the PLO was genocidal and that there is still a culture of hate as evinced by polling? > [@sevastapol](#): > > _Repudiated_ Please provide the quote from the speech where Arafat repudiated his recognition of the state of Israel. Of course you cannot because **Finn Again** is lying. _nooooooooooooooooo…_ Sevastapol isn’t reading. Arafat says one thing in English while the PLO supports and encourages terrorism. Why don’t you quote where I said that Arafat explicitly repudiated Israel’s right to exist? Can you prove I’m lying or are you going to call more names? > [@sevastapol](#): > > **FA** also wrote > > > [@finnagain](#): > > > > but the truth is that the Palestinians, the majority of them, want genocide. And the Israelis must be allowed to defend themselves, they’re the ‘underdogs’ the ‘victims’ the ones who just want to survive. > > Big claim, no evidence. Falsehood is fast becoming FA’s signature. Funny… I couldn’t sworn that you not reading and then making up wild accusations about my character is fast becoming your signature. Have you **read** **gum’s** poll numbers? A majority thinks that civilian targeted killings are good. Big claim. Evidence in front of your face that somehow you manage to not read. You wanna check yourself of call me a liar some more? . > [@sevastapol](#): > > Secondly the claim that Israelis, the sole nuclear force in the middle east, largest aid recipient of the US, equipped with unequalled military equipment, Again, this weird leftist underdogism. Just **why** do you think that Israel needs nukes? In order to facilitate their dastardly war of conquest? Or maybe because they’ve been attacked again and again? > [@sevastapol](#): > > aggressive in land seizure, Since I know you are not dishonest or morally depraved or whatever other fun adjectives are in your bag, I’m sure you can provide a cite to show how Israel aggressively attacked no fewer than five nations in '48. > [@sevastapol](#): > > terrorism, acts of war against neighboring countries and extra-judicial assassinations, Terrorism? Like when the IDF takes a teenager and sends them directly into a crowd of civilians strapped with explosives and nails? Oh… wait… And, again, what world are you living in ? Acts of war against neighboring countries? You have cites proving that Israel attacked with zero provocation? > [@sevastapol](#): > > the claim that this is the expression of victims yearning for bare survival needs no further comment. I know, there is no further comment really necessary. Every fact of the matter shows one side that purposefully targets civilians and one purposefully tries to minimize casualties. The fact that you ignore it is odd. The fact that you see it as Israel acting like a terrorist state is downright bizarre. > [@sevastapol](#): > > Again I’m merely repeating other’s objections to **Finn Again’s** depravity. I apologise for the redundancy. Ooooooh. Depraved! Tell me what’s depraved about saying… -Stop targeting civilians. -Stop supporting terrorism. -Stop mixing terrorists and civilians on purpose. -Come back to the negotiating table. -Until then there’s a state of war. Depraved? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murderers-israel-blows-up-a-crowd-of-protestors-killing-and-wounding-dozens/245994.md?page=12)