# Murdoch Schadenfrude **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 17, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353 "2011-07-17T15:44:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/1 "2011-07-17T15:44:58Z")
So how much are you enjoying watching the Murdoch empire being rocked by the phone hacking scandal? If his employees did try to hack 9/11 victims’ phones will that be enough for conservatives to finally realize what a piece of crap this man is? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/2 "2011-07-17T15:55:11Z")
I thought Schadenfrude was a guilty pleasure. I feel no guilt, nor see any reason to. But I’m getting plenty of enjoyment. Conservatives don’t care what a piece of crap anybody on there side is. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/3 "2011-07-17T15:59:28Z")
As long as he keeps signing the paychecks, nobody in his employ will care what a shitbag he is. I’m really hoping this keeps unraveling to the point that the whole family ends up doing serious jail time, any number of politicians and police are canned and the media empire is dismantled. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/4 "2011-07-17T16:06:35Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > As long as he keeps signing the paychecks, nobody in his employ will care what a shitbag he is. > > I’m really hoping this keeps unraveling to the point that the whole family ends up doing serious jail time, any number of politicians and police are canned and the media empire is dismantled. I have to admit that any police who helped the journalists are even worse. This does show the danger of media consolidation. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/5 "2011-07-17T16:20:44Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I thought Schadenfrude was a guilty pleasure. I feel no guilt, nor see any reason to. But I’m getting plenty of enjoyment. Conservatives don’t care what a piece of crap anybody on there side is. Yes, no generalizations here :rolleyes: for a “liberal” you’re awfully intolerant. Will be interesting to see how far this goes. I don’t see it taken down bis empire but it’ll knock him and his family back. As a long time reader of the WSJ I haven’t noticed any real change to the editorial content of the paper once he took over (he did change the lay out of the paper and added a lot more human interest stories). ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/6 "2011-07-17T16:44:10Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Yes, no generalizations here :rolleyes: for a “liberal” you’re awfully intolerant. > > Will be interesting to see how far this goes. I don’t see it taken down bis empire but it’ll knock him and his family back. As a long time reader of the WSJ I haven’t noticed any real change to the editorial content of the paper once he took over (he did change the lay out of the paper and added a lot more human interest stories). I’m not a liberal. I hope it does take down his empire. Why would Murdoch taking over the WSJ change its editorial content? ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/7 "2011-07-17T16:52:48Z")
Whether or not you want his empire to fall is not my issue, your generalization is ignorant and we’re usually against that sort of thing here. And there was a concern that he would influence the WSJ editorial board (mostly a fear of dumbing it down) but that hasn’t happened. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/8 "2011-07-17T17:16:10Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Yes, no generalizations here :rolleyes: for a “liberal” you’re awfully intolerant. Oh no, he’s intolerant of someone whose ‘news’ empire deliberately and constantly fabricates lies for propaganda purposes on one hand, and hires criminals to prey on the vulnerable on the other! The scandal! ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/9 "2011-07-17T17:29:00Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Whether or not you want his empire to fall is not my issue, your generalization is ignorant and we’re usually against that sort of thing here. > > And there was a concern that he would influence the WSJ editorial board (mostly a fear of dumbing it down) but that hasn’t happened. Well aside from changing Managing Editors at the paper and reporters resigning after learning that Murdoch did not keep his promise of editorial independence. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/10 "2011-07-17T17:35:37Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Oh no, he’s intolerant of someone whose ‘news’ empire deliberately and constantly fabricates lies for propaganda purposes on one hand, and hires criminals to prey on the vulnerable on the other! The scandal! Not what I was referring to. And how many journalist resigned from the WSJ? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/11 "2011-07-17T18:43:14Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Not what I was referring to. > > And how many journalist resigned from the WSJ? Then what else are you referring to? Because your lack of a point to back up your generalization sounds very ignorant to me. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/12 "2011-07-17T19:03:55Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Yes, no generalizations here :rolleyes: for a “liberal” you’re awfully intolerant. That’s just a version of “tolerance” that exists to be used to beat liberals and moderates over the head with. It’s an attempt to browbeat them into not fighting back against or or criticizing their enemies. There’s no obligation to bend over backwards to act “tolerant” to outright enemies, to people who are trying to hurt or oppress or deceive you. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/13 "2011-07-17T22:42:30Z")
Moved to the BBQ Pit from Great Debates. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/14 "2011-07-17T23:14:54Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Then what else are you referring to? Because your lack of a point to back up your generalization sounds very ignorant to me. Well that makes sense given than you’ve said that conservatives don’t care where their news comes from. Nice generalization. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/15 "2011-07-17T23:22:24Z")
They don’t seem to, as long as it agrees with them. Well, ok, if Barack Obama agrees with them, then they have a problem and must do everything possible to stop him. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/16 "2011-07-17T23:47:54Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Well that makes sense given than you’ve said that conservatives don’t care where their news comes from. Nice generalization. What on earth is the term ‘conservative’ but a generalization? And I didn’t say conservatives don’t care where their news comes from. I said “Conservatives don’t care what a piece of crap anybody on there side is.” They do care if somebody is on their side, and they don’t care if he’a a piece of crap like Murdoch. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/17 "2011-07-18T01:19:26Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Yes, no generalizations here :rolleyes: for a “liberal” you’re awfully intolerant. I’m an ultra-liberal and make no pretense to tolerating bigotry, for example. > [@Der Trihs](#): > > That’s just a version of “tolerance” that exists to be used to beat liberals and moderates over the head with. It’s an attempt to browbeat them into not fighting back against or or criticizing their enemies. But Der, you gotta realize that modern conservatives have extremely sensitive dispositions: their media choices habitually get their facts wrong _but they whisper sweet lies in conservatives’ ears_ which makes them ok. Businessmen know differently, which is why the WSJ’s news pages were generally a lot less nutty than the editorial section, pre-Murdoch. In other news, Joe Nocera apologizes for supporting Murdoch’s takeover of the Wall Street Journal. Kudos to him for manning up to the situation. NYT: [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/16/opinion/16nocera.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/16/opinion/16nocera.html) Lochdale’s perceptions have clearly been warped by his modern conservative disposition. To quote Nocera, the WSJ under Murdoch has, “shorter articles, less depth, an increased emphasis on politics and, weirdly, sometimes surprisingly unsophisticated coverage of business.” Hell, anybody with a working brainstem can just look at the front page and see the increased coverage of shlock. Those who sold the WSJ to Murdoch are moaning the loss of a great American institution. Cite: [Bancroft family members regret WSJ sale - UPI.com](http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2011/07/14/Bancroft-family-members-regret-WSJ-sale/UPI-59031310630400/) > [@](#): > > “If I had known what I know now, I would have pushed harder” against accepting the Murdoch bid, Christopher Bancroft, whose family controlled Journal publisher Dow Jones & Co., told the non-profit ProPublica news organization. The Bancrofts were conservatives, traditional conservatives. That means they had a healthy respect for facts and empirical assessment of reality, something which liberals share and separates both groups from the modern Teaster variety. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/18 "2011-07-18T07:56:16Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I’m not a liberal. I hope it does take down his empire. > > Why would Murdoch taking over the WSJ change its editorial content? Before takeover did the WSJ make up stories for a political point of view? [McDonald’s will drop healthcare for](http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703431604575522413101063070.html) [McDonald’s says it is not true.](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/mcdonalds-fights-back-report-drop-health-care-plan/story?id=11764596) Very inaccurate reporting. Was that something the WSJ did before RM bought it out? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/19 "2011-07-18T11:41:56Z")
Yes, schadenfreude it is for me. I am enjoying every second of the scandal. Invest in Popcorn! ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2011, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353/20 "2011-07-18T12:45:52Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Moved to the BBQ Pit from Great Debates. This started in _ **Great Debates** _\*\*\*!?\*\*\* [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/murdoch-schadenfrude/589353.md?page=2)