# Museum exhibit to show dinosaurs and man co-existing **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 3, 2005, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756 "2005-01-03T00:02:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/41 "2005-01-03T01:40:47Z")
Perhaps a reading from the Good Book is in order? GENESIS 3 > [@](#): > > 22 Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.” 23 therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from which he was taken. 24 He drove out the man by sending a Tyrannosaur after him. 25 And the Tyrannosaur did have a flaming sword and a pointy German helmet. 26. “Raaaaaaar!” said the Tyrannosaur. 27. And Adam and Eve did flee in a jeep, and Jeff Goldblum was with them, and he sayeth, “Must go faster Must go faster.” 28. And the gates to Eden were blocked by a Unix security program written by Dennis Nedry, who had fled with the dino embryos. Praise be the Word of God. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/42 "2005-01-03T01:41:35Z")
> [@Sample\_the\_Dog](#): > > Cheap shot, **gobear**. Granted, since I’ve decided to leave the party, I’m probably not the best spokesperson here, but not all of us are knee-jerk ideologues, and not all of us voted for Bush. I was just commenting on Ken Ham’s idea that the election somehow lent legitimacy to his crackpot ideas. If I were a rock-ribbed Republican firmly convinced of the virtues of the president, I’d still be embarrassed that a yutz like Ham would be on my side. I’m not going to talk about Bush (Praise Be Unto Him) beyond Ken Ham’s statements in the article. ---
**Author:** ![Greywolf73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d9b06d/32.png) [@Greywolf73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greywolf73)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/43 "2005-01-03T01:46:22Z")
:dubious: I think that if you [connect the dots](http://www.answersingenesis.org/museum/walkthrough/) on the walk-through map you get a big “WTF”. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/44 "2005-01-03T01:46:50Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > If I were a rock-ribbed Republican firmly convinced of the virtues of the president, I’d still be embarrassed that a yutz like Ham would be on my side. Then I did misunderstand you. Again, I apologize. But isn’t Ham Australian? I do cringe a bit that he takes Bush’s re-election as some Sign from God. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/45 "2005-01-03T01:49:44Z")
From the tour in **astro** ’s link: > [@](#): > > The Bible is true. No doubt about it! Paul explains God’s authoritative Word, and everyone who rejects His history-including six-day creation and Noah’s Flood-is ‘willfully’ ignorant. Ummm…if you say so. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/46 "2005-01-03T01:51:09Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > Then I did misunderstand you. Again, I apologize. > > But isn’t Ham Australian? I do cringe a bit that he takes Bush’s re-election as some Sign from God. :eek: Perhaps it’s a cheap shot, then, to point out that this is the same individual who also believes weather phenomena are signs from God, if what little I saw on the web page was any indication. I have a hard time not seeing that as a form of intellectual sloth. [sub]Or I could just be totally midinterpreting the thrust of your remark.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/47 "2005-01-03T01:56:57Z")
Here’s a better [link](http://www.csicop.org/si/2004-11/hovind.html) to a critical examination of a similar “creation science” park. It really shows the limited imagination and scopew of creation science. Sure, they can tell their deluded followers that dinosaurs and humans were comtemporaries, ignoring the findings of geology and paleontology, but they can safely count on their flock not to ask difficult questions about protein homology or microbial antibiotic resistance that creationism just can’t answer. ---
**Author:** ![Sample\_the\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sample\_the\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sample_the_Dog)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/48 "2005-01-03T02:01:42Z")
I wonder which of the 2 creation stories from Genesis 1-2 Mr. Ham subscribes to… Btw, I’m going to see if something can be done about having **RickJay** ’s version of Genesis 3 added to the next new translation of the OT. (It doesn’t take many more liberties than, say, **The Message** “translation” does… but it’s a helluva lot funnier.) ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/49 "2005-01-03T02:03:06Z")
Well, **gobear** , that Pensacola park only gets about 50 visitors a day. Hopefully this AIG park will be equally “successful.” ---
**Author:** ![Sample\_the\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sample\_the\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sample_the_Dog)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/50 "2005-01-03T02:03:16Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Here’s a better [link](http://www.csicop.org/si/2004-11/hovind.html) to a critical examination of a similar “creation science” park. It really shows the limited imagination and scopew of creation science. Sure, they can tell their deluded followers that dinosaurs and humans were comtemporaries, ignoring the findings of geology and paleontology, but they can safely count on their flock not to ask difficult questions about protein homology or microbial antibiotic resistance that creationism just can’t answer. At least there’s some progress. Remember the old “Got put those fossils there” days? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Sample\_the\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sample\_the\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sample_the_Dog)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/51 "2005-01-03T02:04:31Z")
Oops. I meant “God”, not “Got”. :smack: I’m always doing that… Geez, I hope the Christmas card made it… ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/52 "2005-01-03T02:05:14Z")
> [@Sample\_the\_Dog](#): > > I wonder which of the 2 creation stories from Genesis 1-2 Mr. Ham subscribes to… Two? There’s two? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/53 "2005-01-03T02:14:01Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Brings up an interesting question, reflecting on the GD thread about dietary restrictions, and such. Adam and Eve, having escaped the Tyrannousourus and all, were still Jews, yes? Even though it preceded the writing of Leviticus, and the restrictions laid out there…were they stiil forbidden to eat Jurassic pork? if not, they could wash it down with some of [this.](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000001Y5P/104-6394205-8710339?v=glance) ---
**Author:** ![Sample\_the\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sample\_the\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sample_the_Dog)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/54 "2005-01-03T02:22:47Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > Two? There’s two? Yup. **Genesis 1:1-2:3** [ul] [li]Day 1: God creates light[/li][li]Day 2: God creates the heavens to separate the waters below (oceans) from waters above the skies (where rain comes from)[/li][li]Day 3: God creates dry land and vegetation[/li][li]Day 4: God creates the sun, moon, and stars[/li][li]Day 5: God creates sea life and birds[/li][li]Day 6: God creates land animals; God creates man and woman[/li][li]Day 7: God finishes his work and rests[/li][/ul] **Genesis 2:4-25** [ul] [li]A mist goes up from the earth and waters the ground[/li][li]God forms man from the dust[/li][li]God plants the Garden in Eden, puts the man in it, and gives him commandments[/li][li]God creates land animals and birds, lets the man name them[/li][li]God creates a woman from the man’s rib[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/55 "2005-01-03T02:23:33Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > Two? There’s two? Compare Genesis 1’s record of man and woman being created to that of Genesis 2. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/56 "2005-01-03T02:26:13Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > Two? There’s two? Yes. One appears to be a general overview, the other has Man as the main focus. Not neccesarily contridictory, but neither are they homogenous. On preview, I see that I will post anyways, because it adds a little bit to the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/57 "2005-01-03T02:34:13Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > Two? There’s two? Not sure if you’re kidding, but if you’re not, check out the first two chapters of Genesis. You’ll see that Genesis 1 has a creation story, then Genesis 2 has a completely different one (starting at Gen. 2:4). The second one actually contradicts some of the details in the first one (not the order of creation in both stories). In Hebrew, the stories use different words for “God” (YHWH for one _Elohim_ for the other) and this gave rise to what is known as the “Documentary Hypothesis” of the the Pentateuch. Literary and lingusistic analysis shows that the Torah is actually a compilation of several previously independant literary strands (called J, E, P and D for “Jahwist,” “Elohist,” “Deuteronomic” and “Priestly.”) There are several stories in the Pentateuch which are “doubled” or even tripled- stories told twice with slight variations. Those variations probably came from previous independent oral traditions (e.g. two different tribes told the same story a little differently and the redactor of Genesis included both versions). ---
**Author:** ![Sample\_the\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sample\_the\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sample_the_Dog)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/58 "2005-01-03T02:38:23Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Yes. One appears to be a general overview, the other has Man as the main focus. Not neccesarily contridictory, but neither are they homogenous. They are necessarily contradictory. They cannot be reconciled. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/59 "2005-01-03T02:41:41Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Yes. One appears to be a general overview, the other has Man as the main focus. Not neccesarily contridictory, but neither are they homogenous. > On preview, I see that I will post anyways, because it adds a little bit to the discussion. They’re most definitely contradictory. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2005, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756/60 "2005-01-03T02:44:57Z")
When one reads early Genesis as allegorical metaphor, there is no problem. Many thinking believers do just this. When one tries to put specific dates or time perioods to events, as Creationists do, then we see major points of conflict with accepted and/or proven Science. Genesis 1 & 2 look pretty good to a nomadic tribe of hunter/gatherers, which is where they likely come from. This is one of the points I will be hammering on in my correspondance to them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/museum-exhibit-to-show-dinosaurs-and-man-co-existing/282756.md?page=4)