# Music that will never be the same **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 15, 2012, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642 "2012-01-15T23:27:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/21 "2012-01-16T06:30:38Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Let’s see if I’m the only one here… > > When I hear “March of the Toreadors” from _ **Carmen** _, I hear someone singing “Neither a borrower nor a lender be! Do not forget, stay out of debt!” Me too! To a lesser extent, “I ask to be or not to be…” when I hear Habanera. It lessened after I actually saw/studied Carmen, but not by a lot… ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/22 "2012-01-16T07:50:48Z")
To a lot of people (myself included), hearing Donovan’s “Atlantis” automatically brings to mind the words “Now go home and get your fuckin’ shinebox!” and the subsequent vicious beating and murder of the person who said it. ---
**Author:** ![AmsterdamReprobate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/amsterdamreprobate/32/17540_2.png) [@AmsterdamReprobate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AmsterdamReprobate)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/23 "2012-01-16T08:29:39Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Alex’s perception of Ludwig Van. Ludwig Von. And I’m always looking for child molesters when I hear In the hall of the Mountain King by Grieg. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/24 "2012-01-16T16:17:28Z")
Having watched them in the reverse order, the theme playing while Steve McQueen is trying to speed away on his motorcycle in The Great Escape is, and will always be, the theme to Hogan’s Heroes. That scene just totally loses all gravitas when I’m all “I see NOTHINGK!” ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/25 "2012-01-16T17:45:14Z")
The Liberty Bell march music by John Phillip Sousa used in Monty Python’s Flying Circus. No matter how somber the occasion nor how impressive the marching band, it will forever be associated with Monty Python! ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/26 "2012-01-16T17:51:08Z")
> [@Wendell\_Wagner](#): > > No, no, when people hear The Ride of the Valkyries, they think, “Got to kill wabbits. Got to kill wabbits.” No, no, it’s, [“Kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit!”](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxiv3CBMS4M) > [@Peanuthead](#): > > [The William Tell Overture](http://www.google.com/imgres?q=the+lone+ranger&hl=en&rls=ig&biw=1600&bih=787&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=Q93uAfx0iNrYcM:&imgrefurl=http://claytonmoore.tripod.com/&docid=S3vXIkJzdxyoNM&imgurl=http://claytonmoore.tripod.com/lr_silv8.jpg&w=250&h=317&ei=OmETT_79IcWCgAfS4YH3Aw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=398&vpy=151&dur=2035&hovh=253&hovw=199&tx=95&ty=104&sig=101475704138887912617&page=1&tbnh=129&tbnw=102&start=0&ndsp=44&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0). And I bet I really don’t even need a link. You _know_ what you’re going to see, don’t you? [“I’d like to talk to you about that music you’re using.”](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE-NdrzfFOo) ---
**Author:** ![Scarlett67](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scarlett67/32/7387_2.png) [@Scarlett67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scarlett67)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/27 "2012-01-16T17:52:13Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Let’s see if I’m the only one here… > > When I hear “March of the Toreadors” from _ **Carmen** _, I hear someone singing “Neither a borrower nor a lender be! Do not forget, stay out of debt!” “Toreador-oh, don’t spit on the floor! Use the cuspidor; whaddya think it’s for?” ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/28 "2012-01-16T17:58:06Z")
Guess what I immediatly think of when I hear The Car’s “Moving in Stereo?” ---
**Author:** ![Ponch8](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponch8/32/9883_2.png) [@Ponch8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponch8)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/29 "2012-01-16T18:25:29Z")
“Dueling Banjos” due to its use in the rape scene in _Deliverance._ I knew about the association long before I actually saw the movie. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/30 "2012-01-16T18:54:48Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Let’s see if I’m the only one here… > > When I hear “March of the Toreadors” from _ **Carmen** _, I hear someone singing “Neither a borrower nor a lender be! Do not forget, stay out of debt!” For me, it’s a toss-up between the Gilligan’s Island version and a milk commercial from when I was a kid (“Palm Dairy products, goodness through and through…”). Also, I can’t hear banjo music (like “Foggy Mountain Breakdown”) without thinking of an old-timey car chase, a la “Bonnie And Clyde”. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/31 "2012-01-16T19:25:19Z")
> [@Meltdown](#): > > [Also Sprach Zarathustra](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWnmCu3U09w) ftw. [Whoooo!](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoD7KV0VPco) ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/32 "2012-01-16T20:14:43Z")
I can never listen to “Movin in Stereo” by the Cars without thinking of Phoebe Cates’ scene in “Fast Times at Ridgemont High” (what pubescent male even _knew_ you could even remove a bikini from the front?) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/33 "2012-01-16T20:32:36Z")
> [@AmsterdamReprobate](#): > > Ludwig Von. Sorry, but you’re incorrect. [Ludwig van Beethoven](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_van_Beethoven). ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/34 "2012-01-16T20:44:01Z")
> [@Fish\_Cheer](#): > > I recently re-watched _Apocalypse Now!_ for the umpteenth time. When [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHjWDCX1Bdw&t=2m29s) part came up I realized something: I’m fairly sure that an entire generation who had probably never heard of Wagner before will hear the _Ride of the Valkyries_ and immediately think of _Apocalypse Now!_ for the rest of their lives. Can you think of any other examples of this? It makes me think of Hardware Wars. And now to a lesser extend Daniel Bryan. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/35 "2012-01-16T21:02:48Z")
As a general statement I can say that almost all the music in Quentin Tarantino’s movies (all of them) carries with it the strong connection to whatever scene it underscores. Most of the music was unfamiliar to me before hearing it in whatever movie of his, and thus I had little previous association with most of it. About the only major exception would have been [Miserlou](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5OHrQYwRac) which I had heard before, but which immediately became the _Pulp Fiction_ title theme. Both Tarantino and David Chase (_The Sopranos_) have been outstanding at adapting music to their works, enough so to remove earlier associations. They’re not alone, by any means, just excellent at that part of their efforts. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/36 "2012-01-16T21:38:08Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > I can never listen to “Movin in Stereo” by the Cars without thinking of Phoebe Cates’ scene in “Fast Times at Ridgemont High” (what pubescent male even _knew_ you could even remove a bikini from the front?) Best topless scene ever! ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/37 "2012-01-16T21:50:11Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Sorry, but you’re incorrect. [Ludwig van Beethoven](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_van_Beethoven). No, no, [Camper Van Beethoven](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INnFvMgET1E). That said, yeah, it’s Ludwig Van Beethoven. I was going to comment earlier, but thought maybe I was missing some sort of joke. ---
**Author:** ![AmsterdamReprobate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/amsterdamreprobate/32/17540_2.png) [@AmsterdamReprobate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AmsterdamReprobate)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/38 "2012-01-16T21:50:51Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Sorry, but you’re incorrect. [Ludwig van Beethoven](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_van_Beethoven). Sorry, but YOU’re incorrect - in a Clockwork Orange Alex refers to Beethoven as Lovely Ludwig Von. With an O. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/39 "2012-01-16T22:13:25Z")
Ponch8 writes: \> “Dueling Banjos” due to its use in the rape scene in Deliverance. I knew about \> the association long before I actually saw the movie. For what it’s worth, I think you’re mixing up two different scenes. “Dueling Banjos” was not used in the rape scene. It was only used in a scene about (yes, you guessed it) duelling banjos. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/40 "2012-01-16T22:23:37Z")
> [@AmsterdamReprobate](#): > > Sorry, but YOU’re incorrect - in a Clockwork Orange Alex refers to Beethoven as Lovely Ludwig Von. With an O. No, it’s “lovely, lovely Ludwig Van.” “Van” is pronounced with a short English “o” sound in German (if that makes any sense.) You can look for yourself in the script [here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INnFvMgET1E). It’s “Ludwig van,” pronounced like “Ludwig Von” in English. (Although the “van” sounds more like “fahn” to me in most German accents in the name “Ludwig van Beethoven.”) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642.md?page=3)