# Music that will never be the same **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 15, 2012, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642 "2012-01-15T23:27:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![cjepson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@cjepson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cjepson)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/61 "2012-01-17T15:46:03Z")
For those of a certain age, the beautiful theme from _The Magnificent Seven_ will forever be associated with Marlboro cigarettes. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/62 "2012-01-17T16:05:05Z")
> [@Ponch8](#): > > I also automatically associate Jackson Browne’s “Somebody’s Baby” with the same movie, during the scenes where Jennifer Jason Leigh gets naked. She was even hotter than Phoebe Cates in that movie, IMO. You beat me to it. And yes. Yes, she was. And let’s not forget [The Power of Love](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NMph943tsw), forever associated with Back To The Future. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/63 "2012-01-17T16:39:42Z")
**Entry of the Gladiators** by Julius Fucik. This must’ve been impressive as heck when it was introduced in 1895. But in 1910 it was re-arranged and retitled “Thunder and Blazes” amnd became a staple of local orchestras, then got picked up by circuses as Clown Entrance Music. Nowadays, it’s impossible to hear it without thinking of circuses. THIS is that standard “Circusd Music” you’ve grown up hearing. Absolutely impossible to associsate it with gladiators these days, unless they’re wearing white face makeup. > **[Entrance of the Gladiators](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entry_of_the_Gladiators)** > > "Entrance of the Gladiators" op. 68 or "Entry of the Gladiators" (Czech: Vjezd gladiátorů) is a military march composed in 1897 by the Czech composer Julius Fučík. He originally titled it "Grande Marche Chromatique", reflecting the use of chromatic scales throughout the piece, but changed the title based on his personal interest in the Roman Empire. > Generally, the march is divided into three parts. The first part contains the melody that the trumpet keeps and the several supporting parts. The se... ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/64 "2012-01-17T16:51:02Z")
> [@Sam\_A.Robrin](#): > > I certainly don’t–can you explain it? The child killer played by Peter Lorre in Fritz Lang’s classic movie **M** whistled that song as he worked. ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/65 "2012-01-17T17:03:24Z")
Did I miss “Bolero” in this thread? And if I didn’t, why, oh why, didn’t someone mention it wrt to Ms. Derek and ‘10’? ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/66 "2012-01-17T19:17:38Z")
Entry of the Gladiators music: [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_B0CyOAO8y0/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCOADEOgC8quKqQMa8AEB-AG-AoAC8AGKAgwIABABGGUgZShlMA8=&rs=AOn4CLCgFVwN_rWZeJ8eiYAt2XLTePer5A "Julius Fucik - Entry of the Gladiators") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0) ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/67 "2012-01-18T04:53:45Z")
> [@Mustardseed](#): > > Nokia ruined a perfectly nice little Waltz by Francisco Tarrega in choosing 4 bars as their standard ringtone > > [the ‘nokia bars’ are at 0:12](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQzUx3QW2Y) Cute, calling his Grand Waltz a Little Waltz. I think it makes perfect sense to use a theme called Entry of the Gladiators as circus music. Back to the roots of the genre, as it were. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2012, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/68 "2012-01-19T00:56:38Z")
> [@Ponch8](#): > > I also automatically associate Jackson Browne’s “Somebody’s Baby” with the same movie, during the scenes where Jennifer Jason Leigh gets naked. She was even hotter than Phoebe Cates in that movie, IMO. I could not agree with your post more. 😃 I felt quite weird the time I was out to a restaurant (Chi Chi’s, I think, boy I miss that place) with my parents and “Somebody’s Baby” started playing on their music station. ---
**Author:** ![Labdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/439d5e/32.png) [@Labdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labdad)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/69 "2012-01-19T16:18:01Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Let’s see if I’m the only one here… > > When I hear “March of the Toreadors” from _ **Carmen** _, I hear someone singing “Neither a borrower nor a lender be! Do not forget, stay out of debt!” “There’s just one thing you ought to do: To thine own self be true!” ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Missinne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@Jeff\_Missinne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jeff_Missinne)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/70 "2013-03-07T05:50:49Z")
Ponchielli’s “Dance of the Hours?” Oh, you mean Allan Sherman’s “Hello Mudduh, Hello Fadduh!” ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Cheer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fish_cheer/32/17179_2.png) [@Fish\_Cheer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish_Cheer)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/71 "2013-03-07T06:01:20Z")
Or Tom Lehrer’s \* Camp Grenada\*. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/72 "2013-03-07T14:08:20Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > I think Scorsese is better than Tarantino at using music this way That’s as may be, but I doubt I’ll ever hear Jim Croce sing _I Got A Name_ without picturing a just-been-freed slave getting ready for his new life. ---
**Author:** ![FrankJBN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f0a364/32.png) [@FrankJBN](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrankJBN)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/73 "2013-03-07T15:01:51Z")
The incorrectness of the initial premise and many suggestions that follow is illustrated by the question about the William Tell overture. For many under 50 years of age and likely for most under 40, there is no association with the Lone Ranger, a show as distant from current consciousness as Fibber Mcgee and Molly. In another generation, the connection between Wagner and helicopter assaults will be mostly gone. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/74 "2013-03-07T15:07:57Z")
Hah! Long predating any of these is _Entrance of the Gladiators_ by Czeck composer Julius Fucik. He originally entitled it _Grande Marche Chromatique_, but he really liked the Roman empire, and so re-named it. it would probably have remained an obscure cultural footnote, had not a Canadian composer named Louis-Phillipe Laurendeau arranged it for small venues under the title _Thunder and Blazes_. It was immediately snatched up by circuses as a “screamer” and to use as entrance music for clowns. Today, the first – and only – thing you think of when you hear it is the Circus. I got to hear the original march when they played it on Public Radio a few months ago. Certainly all I could think of was the circus. A similar fate would no doubt had also befallen the Bridal Chorus from _Lohegrin_ by Richard Wagner, but he’s really well-known, and Lohegrin continues to be performed. But I can’t hear that music and not think “Here Comes the Bride”. ---
**Author:** ![Fish\_Cheer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fish_cheer/32/17179_2.png) [@Fish\_Cheer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish_Cheer)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/75 "2013-03-07T15:15:28Z")
> [@FrankJBN](#): > > For many under 50 years of age and likely for most under 40, there is no association with the Lone Ranger, a show as distant from current consciousness as Fibber Mcgee and Molly. > > In another generation, the connection between Wagner and helicopter assaults will be mostly gone. Yes. I explicitly mentioned that it will be one generation that is affected, though. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/76 "2013-03-07T15:22:52Z")
Didn’t notice this was zombie, and sp replied cagain. Zombie Clowns. I think george Romero actually showed one of those in **Day of the Dead**. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/77 "2013-03-07T15:37:00Z")
I can’t hear “Gonna wash that man right out of my hair” from South Pacific without thinking of the old “Gonna wash that gray right out of my hair” commercial from the 80’s. ---
**Author:** ![FrankJBN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f0a364/32.png) [@FrankJBN](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrankJBN)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/78 "2013-03-07T15:38:41Z")
“I explicitly mentioned that it will be one generation that is affected” Yes, i allowed myself to be misled by the title. Actually though, one generation is not true. Certainly both my parents’ and my generation associate the tell overture with the Lone ranger. ---
**Author:** ![lew\_cody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e274bd/32.png) [@lew\_cody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lew_cody)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/79 "2013-03-07T15:52:48Z")
The “Hoe-Down” section of Aaron Copland’s _Rodeo_ was used for the “Beef–It’s What’s for Dinner” campaign in the 1990s. Hearing it always brings to mind images of steaks and beef casseroles… …but that’s just me, and as with some of the other examples posted here, later generations won’t have that association. ---
**Author:** ![Rollo\_Tomasi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Rollo\_Tomasi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rollo_Tomasi)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642/80 "2013-03-07T16:22:03Z")
The Johnny Mathis version of the song “Wonderful! Wonderful!” now sounds creepy and sinister to me, thanks to its use in the very disturbing **X-Files** episode “Home.” The same goes for Donovan’s “Hurdy Gurdy Man” and the movie **Zodiac**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-that-will-never-be-the-same/609642.md?page=5)