# music (warning:may offend rap fans!!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 24, 2001, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000 "2001-08-24T22:22:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/101 "2001-08-28T10:37:29Z")
a GIMMICK poster. We have these over at Smile and Act Nice. Basically, your gimmick poster has one schtick that he/she repeats over and over-and it’s a “part of that poster.” Think of Sweet Sue and her little dolls-that would be what you call a “gimmick.” It’s no intended to be trolling, but to assume a pose, or a charicature, if you will. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/102 "2001-08-28T13:07:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pldennison \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Sauron \* > > \*\*Well, I have to agree with the OP. Real music probably would be offensive to rap fans, since they wouldn’t recognize it as such. \*\* > > Well, that’s just stupid. \*\* Yep, that’s me, stupid opinions and all. ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/103 "2001-08-28T13:27:11Z")
delphica: Thanks for backing me up. The branding is healing nicely. > [@](#): > > However, if you are so inclined to listen to a word of advice from a decidedly uncool matronly-type person, I would ask you to take the time to think this one over. It is true that gay is one of those words that means different things to different people in various contexts. I believe you are being truthful when you explain that you don’t use it to make any negative comment on homosexuality, but rather a Fred Flintstonesque goofiness. So, you might take up the fight and continue to use it that way on these boards. However, keep in mind that isn’t an issue of who is right and who is wrong. Clearly, some people feel differently about this than you do, and when you use it to show disdain for something, you are causing genuine hurt and distress to many people in this community. I see your point. While my usage was kosher, perhaps it’s more trouble than it’s worth. Too many cats around here can’t interpret the lingo. > [@](#): > > PS I’m with Syclla, I think dalovindj’s use of language is amazing, and I love reading his posts. They have a great beat and are fun to dance to. Now we’re talkin’. Once you get deep into the beats and funk, they begin to take over everything you do, including posting. Anyone interested: I am playing Memorial Day at this place “Jilliard” on 56th between 5th and 6th. It aint a dance party, like I usually do. This is going to be with a band. It’s kind of experimental. No rehearsal just improvised jamming. I’ll have my sampler and records. Should be cool. Kind of a funk, breakbeat type of thing. 7:00 PM (After the barbeque!) cykrider: > [@](#): > > I’ll be pulling down around $50,000+ a year Dare to dream. Nacho4Sara: > [@](#): > > Nice offer, but we weren’t discussing your DJ techniques. We were discussing your ignorance. My God, are you really that stupid and self-involved? Some people started bringing up violence. I hate violence. It is one of the ugliest things goin. That’s what I was addressing. There is an old saying about taking fights to the stage. Battle on stage and everyone goes home at nite to battle another day. The ignorant implication of violent confrontation (Damn that rhymes somethin’ nice; I’ll have to use that) should be left at home. > [@](#): > > Asswrench Creative. I’ll play: Hose Hound. DaLovin’Dj ---
**Author:** ![Tokiwoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@Tokiwoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tokiwoki)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/104 "2001-08-28T15:43:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dalovindj \* > \*\* > cykrider: > > > [@](#): > > > > I’ll be pulling down around $50,000+ a year > > Dare to dream. > > \*\* Actually, that’s what happens when you go to college. It’s called a real career. Dream all you want DJ, dream of what you will never have. …and I thought Cyk was crazy for putting $50,000. He’ll be making much more than that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/105 "2001-08-28T15:55:10Z")
Just to end this career talk: I already clear more than $50,000 a year. And I dropped out of college. crazy fools. it aint the money that’s important. it’s the art. DaLovin’ Dj ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/106 "2001-08-28T16:37:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dalovindj \*Just to end this career talk: I already clear more than $50,000 a year. And I dropped out of college. crazy fools. it aint the money that’s important. it’s the art. You CLEAR more than $50K a year doing DJ work? That means you must be knocking down around $1400/week before taxes. Impressive. I thought artists were supposed to suffer for their muse. ---
**Author:** ![Tokiwoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@Tokiwoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tokiwoki)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/107 "2001-08-28T16:37:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dalovindj \* > \*\*Just to end this career talk: I already clear more than $50,000 a year. And I dropped out of college. crazy fools. it aint the money that’s important. it’s the art. > > DaLovin’ Dj \*\* Oh, art. ok. 😕 …and let me add that I had no idea you dropped out of college. It doesn’t show at all. (pun intended) ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/108 "2001-08-28T17:23:03Z")
Sauron: > [@](#): > > You CLEAR more than $50K a year doing DJ work? That means you must be knocking down around $1400/week before taxes. Impressive. I thought artists were supposed to suffer for their muse No, for the last 6 years I work at an investment bank as well. Combined income from acting/djing/temping comes in around $60,000 after taxes. Now I’ve shared. happy? I definately suffer. I work 50 hours a week at my “real job” and then spin a couple nights a week. Needless to say there are alot of days with no sleep. > [@](#): > > You CLEAR more than $50K a year doing DJ work? That means you must be knocking down around $1400/week before taxes. Impressive. I thought artists were supposed to suffer for their muse I don’t think that counts as a pun. More like sarcasm. silly poser. DaLovin’ Dj ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/109 "2001-08-28T17:26:32Z")
oops. that second quote should have been: > [@](#): > > and let me add that I had no idea you dropped out of college. It doesn’t show at all. (pun intended) And it was posted by tokiwoki. DaLovin Dj ---
**Author:** ![lno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a8b319/32.png) [@lno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lno)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/110 "2001-08-28T17:32:37Z")
I’m going to write a screenplay based loosely on this thread. I smell an Oscar. ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/111 "2001-08-28T17:35:40Z")
Ino: Got a title? DaLovin’ Dj ---
**Author:** ![cykrider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@cykrider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cykrider)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/112 "2001-08-28T17:42:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dalovindj \* > > cykrider: > > > [@](#): > > > > I’ll be pulling down around $50,000+ a year > > Dare to dream. > > \*\* This is from [Salaryexpert.com](http://Salaryexpert.com): (Starting dream job in dream location:) The Web Security Administrator working in CO - Colorado Springs now earns a salary of 73,557. 50% of those in this position would earn between 58,611 and 86,069 (the 17th and 67th percentiles). These numbers are derived from real, area specific, survey data. Average Total Compensation would be 88,168. The average earner would have an equivalent “Renter’s Buying Power” of 67,527. (Estimates as of 28-Aug-2001) (Job close to where I’m located now:) The Operating Systems Program Supervisor working in OH - Cleveland now earns a salary of 68,340. 50% of those in this position would earn between 47,660 and 84,563 (the 17th and 67th percentiles). These numbers are derived from real, area specific, survey data. Average Total Compensation would be 83,652. The average earner would have an equivalent “Renter’s Buying Power” of 75,827. (Dream job close to home:) The Web Security Administrator working in OH - Cleveland now earns a salary of 59,957. 50% of those in this position would earn between 47,774 and 70,156 (the 17th and 67th percentiles). These numbers are derived from real, area specific, survey data. Average Total Compensation would be 72,947. The average earner would have an equivalent “Renter’s Buying Power” of 65,988. (Estimates as of 28-Aug-2001) Plus my tokiwoki will be bringing in around $80k plus a BMW as a pharmacisit. 😃 I have a dream, bitch. ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/113 "2001-08-28T18:25:25Z")
More like you have a bitch ass dream. $80,000? Ha! You got your sights set real high don’t you? Anyway, what’s this got to do with hip-hop? Nothin. you punk ass sucker. Dalovin’Dj ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/114 "2001-08-28T18:45:29Z")
See, part of the problem here, dalovindj, is that you can talk until you’re blue in the face about what this word and that word mean among “your crowd,” but here, you ain’t among “your crowd.” You’re among a diverse group of people, many of whom are more than a little put off with hearing the word “gay” used as an insult. Cripes, try and look at something from another side, you know? As far as the rest of it, who the fuck cares what kind of music someone listens to? I don’t listen to a lot of hip-hop. Not my cup of tea. Sure, I’ve got some P-Funk albums from when I was a teenager, and some Public Enemy, and some Beasties, and some other stuff. But it’s not what I listen to 99% of the time. What freakin’ difference does it make? If you like it, listen to it. If you don’t, don’t. And I don’t care how much money someone makes. An asshole with a big bank account is still an asshole, and a pauper who is cool is cool no matter what. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/115 "2001-08-28T18:50:27Z")
PLD: Just curious if you saw my response concerning the etymology of gay on the previous page that I had promised. ---
**Author:** ![lno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a8b319/32.png) [@lno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lno)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/116 "2001-08-28T19:23:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dalovindj \* > Got a title? Not yet. I was thinking ‘phat beat’ or ‘dope beat’ to start with, but I need a title that’ll grab people’s attention. Any ideas? I think the basic story will be an aspiring dj struggling to make it. There’s gotta be a love interest (someone he meets while spinning?) and a rival - the climax can be the stage battle between the two djs. Maybe I can put a “independent artist vs The Man” spin on it, too; maybe have the competing dj be a RIAA-sponsored guy, and the moral of the story is that if you stay true to yourself, you can accomplish anything. (Btw- the name starts with a lower-case l, not a capital I. Mess it up again and I’ll slash your tires.) ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/117 "2001-08-28T19:47:17Z")
lno: Yeah. I like it. The story of a young dj with a rough exterior, but a heart of gold, tryin’ to make it in this Man’s world. Along the way he has to do some jobs he would prefer not to. He has to deal with all the ignorant people claiming “his instrument isn’t an instrument”, and “he isn’t a musician” and “his music isn’t music”. In the end with hard work, dedication, and a whole lotta beats he triumphs over adversity and shows up the “Corporate” sponsored dj with his underground skillz. You’ll definately need a girl. maybe 2. A rough, tough inner city chic, and a girl new to the city who just loves hip-hop (can anyone say cat-fight?). Also, a real jerk of a boss at his day job to represent all the haters: “Get to work. Turn off that noise. Stick with us and some day you just may make $90,000 a year. But you’ll have to kiss alot of ass first so back to work!”. In the end he quits the “real job”, get’s the girl, and makes millions selling records. If you don’t like happy endings and you want to make it a dark independent sort of film, then right after he gets all that . . .he get’s shot! (ala Scott La Rock: R.I.P.)? Sounds dope. How about: “The Tables Turn” We’ll make millions. DaLovin’ Dj ---
**Author:** ![cykrider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@cykrider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cykrider)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/118 "2001-08-28T19:56:42Z")
Listen you little cunt, I’ll listen to your opinion all day but when you start ignoring the facts that I present, then you’ve breached into a full blown case fucking idiociy. I presented the facts to you and you blew them off like the pisshead that you are. I didn’t pull those numbers out of my ass, they’re for real. I hope as a banker _cough- bullshit_ you’d know something about numbers and facts. Stop acting like a total fuckwit or I’ll shove those 2 turntables and a microphone right up your polyp infested ass. ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/119 "2001-08-28T20:14:10Z")
cykrider: The only “Fact” that I see to be evident is that your gonna end up in a dull job making average wages. To be honest, I could care less. This has nothing to do with the OP. It’s in some weird way connected to your dislike of the way I use the word “gay”, which you defended by implying that I would be in a position with a lower salary than you will someday have, which turned out to not be true. freak. just another crazy fool. Oh, and I’m not a banker, I am just working at a bank until I can support myself on art alone. Yes, it is art that I find important, and not cash. Money is a good tool, but it should not be the end-all be all. I have had a ton of cash in my pocket with a phat pad (like these days), and I have also been broke and homeless (although I prefer the term couch surfer). No matter what I had fun, and listened to the hip-hop real loud. Dalovin’ Dj “And in the evening, we like to Jam, we like the music loud in this here band, we let the bassline drop just as loud as we can stand. But somebody’s always gotta turn informer for the man. Insufferable informer crazy fools. Wait with their fingers crossed for you to break the rules.” - Sublime ---
**Author:** ![lno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a8b319/32.png) [@lno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lno)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/120 "2001-08-28T20:17:04Z")
Good stuff! I’m thinking we’ll start with the happy ending - he gets the girl, makes millions, mad props all around. We’ve gotta go with the happy ending if we want a wide release - how many independent movies with dark endings really rake in the cash? I’d want to write and film the darker ending, though, and we can have that on the DVD as an alternate ending. That’ll give the fan base a reason to buy the DVD, and we’ll drop a few hints that we preferred one ending over the other, and let the fans argue which one was the best. “The Tables Turn” is good, but it has that “As The World Turns” feel to it, sorta soap-operaish. Any other ideas? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000.md?page=7)