# music (warning:may offend rap fans!!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 24, 2001, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000 "2001-08-24T22:22:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![OneChance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/74df32/32.png) [@OneChance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneChance)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/141 "2001-08-28T22:09:32Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by pldennison_ > **And I don’t care how much money someone makes.** Uh, it was **cykrider** who brought up the discussion of money. ---
**Author:** ![Tokiwoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@Tokiwoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tokiwoki)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/142 "2001-08-28T22:10:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dalovindj \* > \*\*More like you have a bitch ass dream. $80,000? Ha! You got your sights set real high don’t you? Anyway, what’s this got to do with hip-hop? Nothin. you punk ass sucker. > > Dalovin’Dj \*\* Yeah, $80,000, and that’s if I get a **bad** job. I will most likely make anywhere from $90,000 to $115,000. Plus, most companies offer luxury cars to employees as an incentive. So I’m sorry if I’m wastin your fly flava, but you need to shut your trap. ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/143 "2001-08-28T22:15:26Z")
Tokiwoki, you just don’t get it. What you might someday make means nothing to the subject at hand. It’s just you trying to act superior cause you’re mad about how I used the word “gay”. It’s not working. you don’t look superior, you look foolish. Money aint that important. DaLovin’ Dj ---
**Author:** ![cykrider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@cykrider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cykrider)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/144 "2001-08-28T22:16:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cykrider \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by dalovindj \* > > \*\*iampunha, red\_dragon60, Scott, Nacho4Sara, cykrider, > > > > “Wow for an amateur you really look hard, but your really a bitch when you get it together call me here’s my card.” > > > > DaLovin Dj > > > > P.S. Oh and if need be, we can settle this shit on the turntables. Come on up to NYC, I spin around 10 nights a month in Manhattan, a few more out in Brooklyn and I aint afraid to battle. I’ve got 2 jams comin’ up this weekend if you wanna feel the flavor. Posers. We’ll see who gets the crowd bumpin’. \*\* > > I’d love to ass clown but I have more important things to do, like college! I go to college so that in four years while you’re out making your $250 (I’m being nice here) a gig and working the fry-o-lator, I’ll be pulling down around $50,000+ a year. Isn’t that dope? I’m pretty well versed in the art of music as well. Care to give me some of your thoughts on augmentation of chords, overtones, and the use of consonance and dissonance. Maybe then you’ll earn some props. \*\* This is how the money issue was brought up. And from the looks of it **VDlovindj** has yet to explain these musical concepts to me. Musicians, painters, actors, or pretty much any artist know about their trade. You are not a musician, you a teeny bopper twerp who pushes a button to modify music. ---
**Author:** ![OneChance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/74df32/32.png) [@OneChance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneChance)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/145 "2001-08-28T22:25:05Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Sauron_ > **Someone make a note to ask dalovindj to come read this thread ten years from now, and see if he cringes when he reads what he’s written.** I’m sure this could be said for everyone here. Maybe ten years from now everyone will read this thread and see how pointless and stupid all of it is. **cykrider** will cringe when he reads his “cunt” reference. He will also have learned by then that techies aren’t the only people making money. **Nacho4Sara** will wonder how she could ever have been so holier-than-thou. Then again, maybe we’ll have to wait 20 years for this. ---
**Author:** ![Tokiwoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@Tokiwoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tokiwoki)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/146 "2001-08-28T22:27:21Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by OneChance \* \*\* > [@](#): > > Are you saying only people with a “real” career can make $50,000? What planet do you live on? I never went to college and I pulled in at least that much last year. Also, I assume you don’t consider modeling a “real” career, but many models bring in millions every year. I know this may be asking too much, but try to think before you post. \*\* No, I don’t consider modeling a “real” career. And I’m not too worried about fucking up _your_ universe, so if you’re offended then cry to someone else. By the way, individuals who have a college degree make an average of $20,000 a year more than those without one. That’s the difference between your Honda Civic and my Lexus SC 430. ---
**Author:** ![Kamandi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5daacb/32.png) [@Kamandi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamandi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/147 "2001-08-28T22:30:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cykrider \* > \*\*Musicians, painters, actors, or pretty much any artist know about their trade. You are not a musician, you a teeny bopper twerp who pushes a button to modify music. \*\* Come on, you can do better than that. If you know anything about modern dance music of any flavor, you’ve got to know that good DJs know their craft, easily as much as any musician knows their instrument. It is most certainly not “pushing a button to modify music”. Get off your high horse. ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/148 "2001-08-28T22:31:07Z")
cykrider: > [@](#): > > You are not a musician That conversation is covered in [this thread.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=81984) > [@](#): > > you a teeny bopper twerp I’m 25, and just to keep the trash talk flowin’, your a freak nut sucker tryin to play it hardcore, but your really just playin’ candyland, bitch. Fun stuff, huh? DaLovin’ Dj ---
**Author:** ![Tokiwoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@Tokiwoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tokiwoki)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/149 "2001-08-28T22:35:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dalovindj \* > \*\*Tokiwoki, you just don’t get it. What you might someday make means nothing to the subject at hand. It’s just you trying to act superior cause you’re mad about how I used the word “gay”. It’s not working. you don’t look superior, you look foolish. Money aint that important. > > DaLovin’ Dj \*\* I never said anything about you using the word “gay”. Don’t even get me started on that. I’m not the one who looks foolish, G dawg. ---
**Author:** ![OneChance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/74df32/32.png) [@OneChance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneChance)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/150 "2001-08-28T22:36:04Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Tokiwoki_ > **That’s the difference between your Honda Civic and my Lexus SC 430.** Wow, you’re really into money, aren’t you? How sad. Should I pray for you? ---
**Author:** ![cykrider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@cykrider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cykrider)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/151 "2001-08-28T22:41:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by OneChance \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Tokiwoki_ > > **That’s the difference between your Honda Civic and my Lexus SC 430.** > > Wow, you’re really into money, aren’t you? How sad. Should I pray for you? \*\* [Dennis Miller] Hey, people are sailboats and wind is money and with enough of it, well you can get blown just about anywhere. [/Dennis Miller] ---
**Author:** ![Tokiwoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@Tokiwoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tokiwoki)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/152 "2001-08-28T22:46:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by OneChance \* > \*\*Wow, you’re really into money, aren’t you? How sad. Should I pray for you? \*\* Weren’t you the one who stuck up for yourself by flaunting your financial status? Please, pray. I’m sure I will be damned to hell if you don’t. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/153 "2001-08-28T22:47:28Z")
Jesus H Buddha, I can’t figure out what is more irritating – **DaLovinDJ** pretending he’s straight out of Compton or **Tokiwoki** pretending he’s Donald Fucking Trump. You all are painting yourselves as gigantic babies. I’m a dj - hippity-hop-flava-playa … My portfolio is divergent as it relates to the pork-belly market and the new Lexus XYZ Class luxury Sedan… Bitch! Cunt! You’re gay! You suck! Do not! Do too! Here’s the lowdown - [ul] [li]Hip hop lingo goes down great guns with a hip-hop crowd. **SDMB is not a hip-hop crowd**. You want to keep it up, feel free, but don’t be surprised when a majority of people have no idea what your “rappin’” about.[/li][li]Nobody gives a shit about how much money you make or what kind of car you drive.[/li][li]Spinning records and being a musician are vastly different. Yes they both take skill and talent but they aren’t even remotely the same thing.[/li][li]The word “Gay” is a touchy term. You _will_ piss some people off by using it as an insult (we went several rounds here to try to figure out whether or not the word “queer” was offensive - this is the same ball park) - deal with it, if you insist on using it that way.[/li][li]Rap sucks if it is performed by talentless people. Just as rock sucks if it is performed by talentless people. The problem is, in today’s musical climate there seems to be a wealth of people willing to throw money and recording contracts at anybody claiming to be a Rap Artist - so we get to see a _lot_ of talentless rap.[/li][li]I’m right and everybody else is wrong, so everybody just shut the hell up and go home.[/li][li]Sheesh![/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Tokiwoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@Tokiwoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tokiwoki)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/154 "2001-08-28T22:52:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jack Batty \* > \*\*Jesus H Buddha, I can’t figure out what is more irritating – **DaLovinDJ** pretending he’s straight out of Compton or **Tokiwoki** pretending he’s Donald Fucking Trump. > \*\* How do you know I’m not Donald Fucking Trump? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/155 "2001-08-28T22:54:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cykrider \* > has yet to explain these musical concepts to me. Musicians, painters, actors, or pretty much any artist know about their trade. \*\* I’m a musician…I would be hard pressed to explain in words those terms. Most of the musicians I know couldnt either, because they are not classically trained and don’t use words like that. So what. Are only classicly trained musicians musicians? nope. I’ve seen instructional videos with Buddy Guy where he didn’t know the names of the chords he was using. I think he’s an incredible musician. I hear SRV didn’t know any thing about music theory, either. I was classicly trained as a Violinist until I got bored with it and moved on to elctronic music. I went from there to blues piano and organ, and havent even thought much about theory in almost 20 years. There is an MP3 [here](http://www.texasblues.net/music/organ.mp) of an organ solo I did with my old band(youll have to rename it .mp3) . Its not my best work, but I think its music. I know some incredably talanted musicians that don’t know theory. That doesn’t mean shit. I think just because someone uses a differant method to create music doesn’t make them any less of a musician. Ever listen Isao Tomita? Much of his stuff was, and I quote from the liner notes “electronically created”. We used his version of the pacabel cannon at my wedding. My mom likes his stuff, and she is a graduate school theory proffessor, with a Doctorate in Music Education(she hated it when I dropped violin). If you look at the stuff he used to create his music, Its not really musical instruments in the traditional sense. I think Moby has great deal of talent, and a lot of his stuff isn’t performed in the traditional sense of the word. There are some hacks who just re-cycle and sample other peoples works, and there are those who do something new and original with it. I haven’t heard our friends work, so I cant comment which group he falls into(If I were in New York, I would check it out). ---
**Author:** ![OneChance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/74df32/32.png) [@OneChance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneChance)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/156 "2001-08-28T22:57:39Z")
It’s interesting that a lot of people here say they’re trying to fight ignorance, but then they jump on DJ for his choice of lifestyle. That’s funny stuff. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/157 "2001-08-28T23:08:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by OneChance \* > \*\*It’s interesting that a lot of people here say they’re trying to fight ignorance, but then they jump on DJ for his choice of lifestyle. That’s funny stuff. \*\* It’s got me laughing…I find it an interesting comentary on tolerance. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/158 "2001-08-28T23:28:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jack Batty \* > \*\* > [ul] > [li]Hip hop lingo goes down great guns with a hip-hop crowd. **SDMB is not a hip-hop crowd**. You want to keep it up, feel free, but don’t be surprised when a majority of people have no idea what your “rappin’” about.[/li][li]Spinning records and being a musician are vastly different. Yes they both take skill and talent but they aren’t even remotely the same thing.[/li][/ul] \*\* What sort of crowd are we? What is being a musician? I thought it was someone who makes music. Now there are sucky music, and I for instance, hate accordian, but I wouldn’t tell an acording player that he’s not a musician. Just thought of something. Rick Wakeman used a [mellotron](http://www.mellotron.com/) on a lot of his stuff with yes. That kick ass choir sound during his solo/exerpts from The six wives of henry the 8th, where he broke into the Halliluja chorus, was done on a melotron. melotron, for those of you who don’t know and probably don’t care, is the fore-runner to the sampler. It consisted of a rack of tapes and tape heads, with a sound recorded on each sound(one tape for each key). So for instance, you would record a choir singing a note, once for every key, and it would play each tape at a differant speed for the pitch of the note. Hitting the key just turned the tape pickup head on for that loop of tape. So, was Rick playing the mellotron not being a musician because he was merely playing back a pre-recorded sound at pitch? Richard Tandy of ELO used one too…so did Tomita…I almost bought one once, just for the novelty of it. I think it was the clear one on this page, since it was in dallas when I saw for sale many years ago. I can’t imagine too many of them being for sale in dallas. ---
**Author:** ![Anubis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@Anubis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anubis)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/159 "2001-08-28T23:38:01Z")
I just want everyone to know a few things, especially dalovindj. first off, RAP SUCKS!!!😃 Secondly, contrary to probably everyone on this board’s belief, I am female. The reason I go by bobevilsquid is it was the only name i could come up with that wasn’t taken. My older brother goes by bobtheevilsquid, I just didn’t want the ‘the’ in there. Fooled you, didn’t I? ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2001, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/music-warning-may-offend-rap-fans/78000/160 "2001-08-28T23:38:36Z")
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