# Musicals and the Armed Forces **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 23, 2008, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906 "2008-09-23T23:45:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/1 "2008-09-23T23:45:19Z")
Off the top of my head, I can think of three musicals where the main male characters are sailors – Fred and Ginger’s _Follow the Fleet_ and two films with Gene Kelly, _On the Town_ and _Anchors Aweigh_. I can only think of one musical with soldiers, and they’re not actually in the service for the bulk of the movie – _White Christmas_. Why are sailors so much more musical-worthy than soldiers? And why are the Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard completely neglected by the genre? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2008, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/2 "2008-09-23T23:56:33Z")
Well, sailors themselves tend to sing more than infantry. There’s thousands of sea chantys out there. Aside from cadence songs, which are pretty much just used in basic training (AFAIK) there’s no real world equivalent in other branches of the military. That might have something to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/3 "2008-09-24T01:06:42Z")
And they dance jigs. The Marines are too butch to ever be the subject of a musical … is that it? (_South Pacific_ – that’s another one.) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/4 "2008-09-24T01:42:27Z")
There was also the Irving Berlin revue, “This Is The Army” from 1942. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/5 "2008-09-24T01:45:14Z")
Miss Saigon (or is that too contemporary?) ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/6 "2008-09-24T02:01:25Z")
Looking at stage musicals: Sailors: [Hit the Deck](http://www.ibdb.com/production.php?id=10292) Servicemen transitioning back into civilian life: [Call Me Mister](http://www.ibdb.com/production.php?id=1786) Largely naval personnel inserted in an effort to contemporize a book: [the 1943 revision of A Connecticut Yankee](http://www.ibdb.com/production.php?id=1359) As for the Coast Guard: I can’t think of any film or stage musicals centered around them, but Vernon Duke wrote the show _Tars and Spars_ as a recruiting device for the Coast Guard. (Click [this](http://books.google.com/books?id=Z_usBBxC_TQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22Suskin%22&sig=ACfU3U2e7Xhf_cJcuVIGuv_b7vRqV_Zu-A#PRA3-PA65,M1) and scroll down slightly.) ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/7 "2008-09-24T02:14:34Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Miss Saigon (or is that too contemporary?) I’ve never seen it – which branch of the service is that? (All I know is that there’s a helicopter at one point.) And, no, there’s no time limit on this, forwards or backwards. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/8 "2008-09-24T02:33:59Z")
The musical number “Shanghai Lil” in **Footlight Parade** has Jimmy Cagney as a sailor who jumped ship. Abbott and Costello’s **Buck Privates** had some musical numbers, most notably “Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy.” Some were sung by Abbot and Costello while in uniform. Similarly, Martin and Lewis’s **At War with the Army** had Dino doing some singing. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/9 "2008-09-24T04:46:35Z")
Isn’t he in the army in “Passion”? (It’s been a while - I used to love that show.) And to add some more “South Pacific,” I think has a sailor or two here or there 🙂 “Sound of Music” he’s ex-Navy “Bye Bye Birdie” is future Army Maybe the Navy comes across as more musical (more romantic, maybe) than the other branches. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/10 "2008-09-24T09:36:07Z")
Across the Universe had some military scenes in including one in which the Beatles “I Want You” is sung by the army recruiting poster 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/11 "2008-09-24T11:08:54Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > I’ve never seen it – which branch of the service is that? (All I know is that there’s a helicopter at one point.) US Marines, I think. It’s set at the tail end of the Vietnam war. (I have seen, but didn’t really enjoy it, so it didn’t get a lot of space in my memory) ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/12 "2008-09-24T11:16:38Z")
Gotta go comme! at least China had quite a cultural revolution operas like ‘the red detachment of women’ ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/13 "2008-09-24T12:44:58Z")
The Navy has always had a better artistic agent (we did a thread on that before). Also, I get the feeling that the crackerjack jumpers can be better adapted by wardrobe to be a good outfit to dance in, than combat boots or flightsuits. > [@China\_Guy](#): > > Gotta go comme! at least China had quite a cultural revolution operas like ‘the red detachment of women’ [A hint of what it’s like](http://www.lileks.com/institute/china/index.html), featuring that very masterpiece, courtesy of the Institute of Official Cheer at Jim Lilek’s site. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/14 "2008-09-24T13:46:35Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > The musical number “Shanghai Lil” in **Footlight Parade** has Jimmy Cagney as a sailor who jumped ship. Excellent one! > [@jackdavinci](#): > > Across the Universe had some military scenes in including one in which the Beatles “I Want You” is sung by the army recruiting poster. As is this one. It reminds me that _Hair_ has some military scenes, after Burger ends up in the Army. All of them are played as background footage in musical montages, IIRC. (Haven’t seen it in a couple of years – hm, I’m about due. I do like that movie.) And I’d argue that _Sound of Music_ doesn’t really count, despite the backstory of one of the characters – none of the musical scenes feature soldiers or sailors in uniform. (The part where the Nazis are chasing them at night has no music, right?) ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/15 "2008-09-24T14:48:10Z")
_The West Point Story_ with James Cagney, Doris Day, Virginia Mayo, Gene Nelson, and Gordon MacRae was set at . . . you guessed it. Many tap-dancing cadets. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/16 "2008-09-24T15:01:24Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > The Marines are too butch to ever be the subject of a musical … is that it? We obviously saw Uncle Sam’s Masculinity Cult a little differently back in 1937, when Dick Powell played [The Singing Marine](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029571/#comment). (The [poster](http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ieqH6gw9S_U/SHThomW5hBI/AAAAAAAAFec/lOoFkLzJTe8/scan0087.jpg) suggests dress blues and battleships, not drill fields and psychic abuse.) ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/17 "2008-09-24T15:43:59Z")
Dick Powell also starred as a sailor in _Shipmates Forever_. He’s a singer who goes through Annapolis to please his father, the admiral, but he really just wants to keep his career and romance Ruby Keeler, who teaches dance to the offspring of Navy officers. It’s really more of a drama with some numbers than a musical, but IMDB calls it a musical. I saw it on TCM for the first time a couple of weeks ago. Never heard of it, and I’m pretty rabid. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/18 "2008-09-24T15:51:39Z")
White Christmas. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/19 "2008-09-24T15:54:47Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > White Christmas. See the last line of the OP. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musicals-and-the-armed-forces/464906/20 "2008-09-24T16:01:54Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Why are sailors so much more musical-worthy than soldiers? Well, there’s no reason a surface sailor can’t sing during combat, or drills. I shudder to think what would happen if an infantry platoon were in combat and someone started singing - can you say sniper check? FTM, I think it’s interesting that I can only think of one scene where bubbleheads sang in the movies. It’s when the _Red October_ goes to the caterpillar drive, and everyone aboard starts singing the Soviet National Anthem. And they got heard! :eek: