# Musician/Actor/Artist Who's Fallen Most Out of Favor With You **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 7, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548 "2014-04-07T12:52:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/41 "2014-04-08T13:40:31Z")
**Foo Fighters**. Monkey Wrench, Everlong, Long Road To Ruin, and a handful of others are still awesome rock tracks, but… God _dammit_ are their views on medicine dangerous, irresponsible, and disgusting. HIV/AIDS denialists. No. Fuck that shit. Not gonna support it. I’ll put up with artists supporting all manner of crap, but that one just goes too damn far. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/42 "2014-04-08T15:14:38Z")
A bit in the past, but **Frank Zappa**. A brilliant musician, yes, and he remained on to the end. But once his lyrics started turning as scatological as an eight year old schoolboys, it was too difficult to separate that out in order to concentrate on the music. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/43 "2014-04-08T15:27:45Z")
sadly, the Kate Mulgrew story does not appear to be a whoosh [http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/07/star-trek-actress-lends-her-gravitas-to-film-promoting-idea-that-sun-revolves-around-earth/](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/07/star-trek-actress-lends-her-gravitas-to-film-promoting-idea-that-sun-revolves-around-earth/) ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/44 "2014-04-08T15:28:38Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > **Foo Fighters**. Monkey Wrench, Everlong, Long Road To Ruin, and a handful of others are still awesome rock tracks, but… God _dammit_ are their views on medicine dangerous, irresponsible, and disgusting. HIV/AIDS denialists. No. Fuck that shit. Not gonna support it. I’ll put up with artists supporting all manner of crap, but that one just goes too damn far. Was this ever a big thing with them? All I could find is the bassist was into this crap and the band went along with it, but have since cut ties to [Christine Maggiore](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Maggiore) and her Alive & Well AIDS Alternatives organization. Maggiore herself has since passed away from AIDS/AIDS-related symptoms from her untreated HIV. Not that I particularly care for the Foo Fighters (although they’re fine by me) nor do I really care about a pop act’s politics or whatever, but I had never heard of this until just now. They weren’t particularly vocal about it, were they? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/45 "2014-04-08T15:32:39Z")
> [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](#): > > Either this is some kind of whoosh, or a complete mangling of Flatland 2, which according to Wikipedia No, she’s narrating a movie called [The Principle](http://www.theprinciplemovie.com/) (warning: annoying autoplay music on website). Here’s [The Bad Astronomer](http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/the_principle_a_documentary_about_geocentrism.html) with details. As he correctly observes, you can’t always draw too many conclusions about an actor from the roles they choose, but i’m still rather disappointed that Mulgrew chose to do this. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/46 "2014-04-08T15:39:48Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > No, she’s narrating a movie called [The Principle](http://www.theprinciplemovie.com/) (warning: annoying autoplay music on website). > > Here’s [The Bad Astronomer](http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/the_principle_a_documentary_about_geocentrism.html) with details. As he correctly observes, you can’t always draw too many conclusions about an actor from the roles they choose, but i’m still rather disappointed that Mulgrew chose to do this. Eww, that’s so dumb, it restored my PC back to Windows 98. :smack: And speaking of things from 1998…autoplay music on websites? Really? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![NVME702-redux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a183cd/32.png) [@NVME702-redux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NVME702-redux)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/47 "2014-04-08T16:15:10Z")
Harrison Ford- after he pierced his ear. Not sure if it was the Calista Flockheart thing or that god awful movie with that cardboard actress in Six Days Seven Nights, but he lost his zing, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Meurglys](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/258eb7/32.png) [@Meurglys](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meurglys)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/48 "2014-04-08T16:37:58Z")
Michelle Shocked. I used to really like her and saw her 8 or 9 times, I expect. The last time I saw her she played to maybe 350 - 400 people at a relatively prestigious venue but the next time she played Edinburgh she decided there was more money for her in playing a house party with a capacity of 80 (the suggested donation was more than a regular concert ticket to see her), thus ensuring that most of her audience couldn’t see her, even if they heard about the gig… A bit annoying, but a commercial choice… Then she lost it completely and started making barely comprehensible homophobic rants alienating a lot of her fanbase and causing all her gigs to be cancelled! A year or two on, looking at her website, she’s still posting weird paranoid nonsense and claiming she has dossiers on loads of people persecuting her. In her earlier days she was treated for mental health issues and it’s quite sad, but I’ve barely felt like listening to anything of hers since. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/49 "2014-04-08T17:32:11Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I just found out Kate Mulgrew narrated a movie which tries to debunk a heliocentric solar system. Man, did Captain Janeway drop off my Esteem-o-meter ™ fast… I don’t see anything anti-heliocentric about this dumb-ass New Newage film. It’s more along the lines of Age of Aquarius and astrology and photon belt nonsense… and hey, it’s a paycheck. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/50 "2014-04-08T17:32:42Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > I just looked down her list of narrations on IMDb and can’t find any such thing. Title? Upthread, post #45. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/51 "2014-04-08T17:40:43Z")
Missed the edit. After looking at the BA account, I’d say you guys are all overreacting. It’s just “Mankind is Truly Important” mysto-nonsense, not anything like a genuine attempt to reverse the last 300 years of cosmology. I mean, hate it on a Penn & Teller “newage” level, but getting all het up because it uses an obsolete term as if it means something is pretty pointless. After a couple of recent threads, I really am kind of fascinated by the vehement backlash any suggestion of “human superiority” provokes. Kinda like those big macho guys who beat up queers, y’know? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/52 "2014-04-08T17:42:17Z")
> [@OneCentStamp](#): > > Upthread, post #45. Caught me between edits. I saw the posts a moment after posting. ---
**Author:** ![AnthonyElite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@AnthonyElite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnthonyElite)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/53 "2014-04-08T18:03:19Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Yeah, he/Smashing Pumpkins was my first thought. I lost track of caring about what he was up to sometime around Machina. I did kind of enjoy the Zwan album, though. Haven’t really listened to much but bits and pieces of his work since and have had no inclination to delve deeper. Don’t know what happened. To me; the whole band was Billy Corgan and Jimmy Chamberlain. Jimmy just loves to bang the drums and will play up with anyone talented. Billy is clearly, undeniably talented. Unfortunately that isn’t all it takes. In the first few albums there was something important to say. Now? Nothing. ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/54 "2014-04-08T19:44:10Z")
For me, in a mild way, Natalie Merchant. First couple-three albums after she left 10,000 Maniacs, I loved (and I loved the Maniacs’ work perhaps even more), but many of her songs had (seemingly) an axe to grind about various social issues (and kinda always had, really). Then her career (in my perception) seemed to become more and more directly about her perceived quarrels with social and world injustices. She also moved into doing what she wanted to do, which was not pop music, or even alternative. Good for her, I honestly say, but that doesn’t mean I wanted to follow. Uninterested in buying albums devoted to children’s nursery rhymes, and other “neglected” aspects of our musical culture/history. Perhaps “disenchanted” is more accurate, as opposed to “fell out of favor.” I wanted to hear her beautiful voice without feeling uncomfortable or guilty. Am I a bad guy for that? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/55 "2014-04-08T21:21:05Z")
> [@AnthonyElite](#): > > To me; the whole band was Billy Corgan and Jimmy Chamberlain. Jimmy just loves to bang the drums and will play up with anyone talented. Billy is clearly, undeniably talented. Unfortunately that isn’t all it takes. In the first few albums there was something important to say. Now? Nothing. Pretty much, I think, although I was with Corgan even through _Adore_ (without Chamberlain). Jimmy is one of my favorite rock drummers, but after he got fired and rehired, their music just lost the spark for me. _Machina_ sounded like “paint-by-numbers” Pumpkins to my ears. I don’t know how to explain it, but it sounded like a pastiche of the Pumpkins, like trying to make a forced and contrived version of earlier era Pumpkins records as some sort of atonement for the softer (and underrated, in my opinion), _Adore_. But it sounded like Billy had run out of musical ideas by then. It might just have been me maturing and my tastes changing, but I still love all the pre-_Machina_ albums and listen to them regularly. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/56 "2014-04-09T04:01:11Z")
Robin Williams. Yu don’t really need me to explain, do you? I will add this to the long, sad list that pretty much anyone can make: he’s the biggest thief in comedy. Outrageous, stunningly shameless theft from anyone and everyone, but most especially talented people who haven’t hit it big. And the sweaty hairy ape thing doesn’t help. Genetic, yes, but for god’s sake don’t flaunt it. Yech. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/57 "2014-04-09T12:09:18Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Missed the edit. > > After looking at the BA account, I’d say you guys are all overreacting. It’s just “Mankind is Truly Important” mysto-nonsense, not anything like a genuine attempt to reverse the last 300 years of cosmology. I mean, hate it on a Penn & Teller “newage” level, but getting all het up because it uses an obsolete term as if it means something is pretty pointless. > > After a couple of recent threads, I really am kind of fascinated by the vehement backlash any suggestion of “human superiority” provokes. Kinda like those big macho guys who beat up queers, y’know? 😃 > [@jayjay](#): > > I just found out Kate Mulgrew narrated a movie which tries to debunk a heliocentric solar system. Man, did Captain Janeway drop off my Esteem-o-meter ™ fast… > [@mhendo](#): > > No, she’s narrating a movie called [The Principle](http://www.theprinciplemovie.com/) (warning: annoying autoplay music on website). > > Here’s [The Bad Astronomer](http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/the_principle_a_documentary_about_geocentrism.html) with details. As he correctly observes, you can’t always draw too many conclusions about an actor from the roles they choose, but i’m still rather disappointed that Mulgrew chose to do this. Y’all will be relieved to know that Mulgrew has now joined Krauss in saying, “Yeah, WTF, I would not have participated in this if I knew who and what it was.” > **[Home](https://www.avclub.com/)** > > The A.V. Club digs deep into film, TV, music, games, books and more. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/58 "2014-04-09T13:24:05Z")
> [@tripthicket](#): > > For me, in a mild way, Natalie Merchant. I feel ya. The social justice thing and even maybe pretentiousness was part of the package when she was making music I cared for but, without that, I can’t find myself holding any interest. A few years ago, my wife saw she was coming to town so we went and it was the nursery rhymes thing which I’m guessing probably 70% of the audience was not expecting. To Merchant’s credit, after 90-120 minutes of that she took an intermission and said “Ok, you let me do that so here’s the stuff some of you no doubt came for” and played another 90-120 minutes of “normal” Merchant material. Still, if I saw she was coming back any time soon I wouldn’t make any effort to see her again. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/59 "2014-04-10T21:04:07Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I just found out Kate Mulgrew narrated a movie which tries to debunk a heliocentric solar system. Man, did Captain Janeway drop off my Esteem-o-meter ™ fast… > [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](#): > > Either this is some kind of whoosh, or a complete mangling of Flatland 2, which according to Wikipedia > [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > sadly, the Kate Mulgrew story does not appear to be a whoosh > > [http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/07/star-trek-actress-lends-her-gravitas-to-film-promoting-idea-that-sun-revolves-around-earth/](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/07/star-trek-actress-lends-her-gravitas-to-film-promoting-idea-that-sun-revolves-around-earth/) > [@mhendo](#): > > No, she’s narrating a movie called [The Principle](http://www.theprinciplemovie.com/) (warning: annoying autoplay music on website). > > Here’s [The Bad Astronomer](http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/the_principle_a_documentary_about_geocentrism.html) with details. As he correctly observes, you can’t always draw too many conclusions about an actor from the roles they choose, but i’m still rather disappointed that Mulgrew chose to do this. > [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > I don’t see anything anti-heliocentric about this dumb-ass New Newage film. It’s more along the lines of Age of Aquarius and astrology and photon belt nonsense… and hey, it’s a paycheck. The good news is that Mulgrew has denounced the film on [her Facebook page](https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151985862292466&id=7122967465): > [@Kate Mulgrew](#): > > “I understand there has been some controversy about my participation in a documentary called THE PRINCIPLE. Let me assure everyone that I completely agree with the eminent physicist Lawrence Krauss, who was himself misrepresented in the film, and who has written a succinct rebuttal in SLATE. I am not a geocentrist, nor am I in any way a proponent of geocentrism. More importantly, I do not subscribe to anything Robert Sungenis has written regarding science and history and, had I known of his involvement, would most certainly have avoided this documentary. I was a voice for hire, and a misinformed one, at that. I apologize for any confusion that my voice on this trailer may have caused. Kate Mulgrew” ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548/60 "2014-04-10T21:55:19Z")
> [@maplekiwi](#): > > This. > > Musician - NZ singer Dave Dobbyn. Other than the Gawd awful “Loyal” he hasn’t done anything wrong, its just easy to get overexposed in a small country. > > Artist another Nzer, Mike Smither. Just seems to be taking the piss now. [http://www.mercurybayartescape.com/artists/michael-smither](http://www.mercurybayartescape.com/artists/michael-smither) I dunno about Smither, I find his bright coloured rectangles phase much more appealing than his early crazy [children’s](http://www.michael-smither.co.nz/products/view/38) [illustrator](http://www.michael-smither.co.nz/products/view/83) night-mare fuel [works](http://www.michael-smither.co.nz/products/view/82). And as for Dobbyn it’s not really his fault that ‘Loyal’ got thrashed to death by the yachting guys. I just hope he’s got huge amounts of royalties for it. I still rate _Lament for the Numb_ as the best NZ album ever. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/musician-actor-artist-whos-fallen-most-out-of-favor-with-you/685548.md?page=4)