# Muslim Cleric says Unveiled Women=Tools of satan! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 27, 2006, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121 "2006-10-27T14:37:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/1 "2006-10-27T14:37:58Z")
Just in from the looney bin:[Outrage as Muslim cleric likens women to 'uncovered meat' | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=412697&in_page_id=1770) Is this guy serious? where is the outrage among reasonable muslims? surely this comment is more important that the danish cartoons? ---
**Author:** ![scareyfaerie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scareyfaerie/32/3135_2.png) [@scareyfaerie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scareyfaerie)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/2 "2006-10-27T14:41:56Z")
“Women were ‘weapons’ used by Satan”? Oh, the power! ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/3 "2006-10-27T14:45:44Z")
[QUOTE=ralph124c] where is the outrage among reasonable muslims? [/QUOTE] RTFS. > [@](#): > > Politicians including Prime Minister John Howard, community leaders \*\*and a large number of Muslims condemned the mufti’s comments \*\* amid calls that he should be deported to Egypt, his country of origin. > > He has since been forced to apologise for his remarks. (my bolding) Where’s the outrage? Well, there’s some, right there. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/4 "2006-10-27T14:46:23Z")
I’d like to know too, where are the comments by reasonable Muslims? What are they saying about this, what do they think about this? What about the Muslims on this board fer example? ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/5 "2006-10-27T14:47:26Z")
Simul-post! Thanks, Rev. ---
**Author:** ![Antigen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Antigen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antigen)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/6 "2006-10-27T14:51:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Women, he said, were ‘weapons’ used by Satan to control men. Ok, well, let’s move all the women out of his country, then. No more control! The men can be free! Then, give them 60 years or so to all die out because there are no more controlling women to help with the babymaking, and then the girls can move back in and live in peace. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/7 "2006-10-27T15:00:38Z")
OK, here’s what I don’t get… OK, here’s part of what I don’t get about this flavor of Islam: > [@](#): > > Addressing 500 worshippers on the topic of adultery, Sheik al-Hilali added: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it..whose fault is it - the cats or the uncovered meat? So…men are feral cats who cannot control their base impulses, even with prayer and devotion and the help of Allah and Mohammed?A AV ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/8 "2006-10-27T15:02:48Z")
Arrgh! The baby on my lap hit submit! (As well as typed that mysterious “A AV” comment.) Anyhow, it just seems debasing to MEN, as well as women, to insinuate that men are so helplessly at the mercy of a finely shaped ankle. It’s just not in line with what I know of men. Even the men who are dogs. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/9 "2006-10-27T15:04:20Z")
This asshole has in fact been suspended by outraged Muslims. He’s currently refusing to resign, though. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/10 "2006-10-27T15:17:05Z")
It seems odd that Sheik al-Hilali would make such an intemperate remark. Usually he can be relied on for calls for a Jihad against Israel or, a recent favourite, claims that Australia is a Muslim nation because it was originally settled by Afghans. The aboriginals are their descendents. The guy is a fruit loop. ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/11 "2006-10-27T15:18:53Z")
[QUOTE=ralph124c] where is the outrage among reasonable muslims? [/QUOTE] [Here](http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/hilali-fans-fires-of-furore/2006/10/27/1161749315238.html) > [@](#): > > Muslim groups in Victoria, NSW and Queensland also called for his sacking. A spokesman for the Islamic Council of Queensland, Abdul Jamal, said he should be charged for making inciting comments against women. The Islamic Council of Victoria has already called for the sheikh to be sacked as Mufti of Australia, and the position abolished. [And here…](http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200610/s1775015.htm) > [@](#): > > Sheikh’s festival invitation in doubt > > The president of the Islamic Council of Queensland says comments about women by one of the nation’s most senior Muslim clerics are indefensible and the Sheikh’s invitation to a Brisbane festival should be revoked. > > Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilaly has sparked outrage, after he likened scantily clad women to meat, and blamed them for inciting sexual assault. > > He has been invited to Brisbane’s Eid Festival next week. > > But Islamic Council president Abdul Jalal says the cleric has set back relations between the Muslim and wider communities and should stay in Sydney. > > “I feel … the Mufti has to be put in his place,” he said. > > “And it would be good from the organisers’ point of view to say, ‘look you have done this and sorry you are not on the program and you are not coming to Queensland’.” > > _{snip}_ > > Print-friendy versionPrint Email this storyEmail > Last Update: Friday, October 27, 2006. 11:26am (AEST) > Peter Beattie says Muslims in Queensland do not share the views of Sheikh Al Hilaly. (File photo) > > Peter Beattie says Muslims in Queensland do not share the views of Sheikh Al Hilaly. (File photo) (Insiders) > > Sheikh’s festival invitation in doubt > > The president of the Islamic Council of Queensland says comments about women by one of the nation’s most senior Muslim clerics are indefensible and the Sheikh’s invitation to a Brisbane festival should be revoked. > > Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilaly has sparked outrage, after he likened scantily clad women to meat, and blamed them for inciting sexual assault. > > He has been invited to Brisbane’s Eid Festival next week. > > But Islamic Council president Abdul Jalal says the cleric has set back relations between the Muslim and wider communities and should stay in Sydney. > > “I feel … the Mufti has to be put in his place,” he said. > > “And it would be good from the organisers’ point of view to say, ‘look you have done this and sorry you are not on the program and you are not coming to Queensland’.” > > The Queensland Peter Beattie says the Sheikh’s visit to Queensland would be counter-productive and divisive. > > “The comments made are not those reflected those by the Muslim community in this state,” he said. > > "The Muslim community in this state are very good citizens. > > “I don’t believe they would have that view. I would hope that they would withdraw his invitation as a sign of their commitment to the rights of women.” > > Mr Jalal says action should be taken against the Sheikh. > > “If anyone could have attacked Islam in the way he has attacked all others - if there is cause to take him to court then why shouldn’t they?” he said. I live less than a mile from that mosque. I have Muslim friends, and they will not be happy with al-Hilali. He’s a nutjob. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/12 "2006-10-27T15:31:13Z")
I have a theory that Muslims are a little behind Christians in their rejection of religion but people like Sheik al-Hilali are hurrying things along. I know several university educated Muslims who don’t have any sense of “not fitting in” with western society. I have heard several times that these people don’t go to services any more because they are all run by “old people” who believe that they are victims and that the west is evil. Most of these people would rate as pretty poor Muslims. They drink and eat the wrong things but I take their disdain for their elders as a promising sign. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/13 "2006-10-27T15:42:57Z")
Personally, whenever I see an unveiled woman, I am filled with lustful thoughts. So far I’ve managed to control myself, but it’s only a matter of time… ---
**Author:** ![Wnabtokio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Wnabtokio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wnabtokio)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/14 "2006-10-27T16:26:52Z")
I agree that they should deport his ass. I mean, look at the way he dresses. He’s totally asking for it. Seriously though, WTF? I’m so glad to hear that he is being condemned by more level headed members of the Muslim community. It makes me feel slightly better about humanity in general. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/15 "2006-10-27T16:30:24Z")
[QUOTE=Antigen] Ok, well, let’s move all the women out of his country, then. [/QUOTE] I’d be happy to host a few Australian women. I’ll even take in the very worst of them, those who’s unconvered temptations tempt me. 'Cause that’s just the kind of guy that I am. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/16 "2006-10-27T16:50:52Z")
> [@](#): > > "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it..whose fault is it - the cats or the uncovered meat? I was going to make a wisecrack about my going out unveiled and cats following me around hungrily, then I realized it would have sounded a lot dirtier than I’d intended . . . ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/17 "2006-10-27T17:36:07Z")
> [@](#): > > Addressing 500 worshippers on the topic of adultery, Sheik al-Hilali added: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it..whose fault is it - the cats or the uncovered meat? Sounds to me like it’s the fault of the cats. See, that’s what I don’t get about this. If the temptation of the female form is so dire in men that it is necessary for the stability of society to hide the women away, doesn’t that mean that the _men_ are weak? I’ve been to nudist (or naturist or whatever they’re calling them these days) events, and, let me tell you, the temptations of the flesh are a lot less when you can actually see what most people look like. You get used to it in about ten minutes. The people you are actually tempted by, you would be tempted by no matter what they wear. However, in nudist contexts, male interest is evident in a very immediate physical sense, which is usually so embarrassing that it goes away quickly. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/18 "2006-10-27T17:48:40Z")
[QUOTE=Sunspace] Sounds to me like it’s the fault of the cats. [/QUOTE] Try putting pepper on the car or whatever you want to keep them off of. ---
**Author:** ![scareyfaerie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scareyfaerie/32/3135_2.png) [@scareyfaerie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scareyfaerie)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/19 "2006-10-27T18:25:05Z")
[QUOTE=Eve] I was going to make a wisecrack about my going out unveiled and cats following me around hungrily. [/QUOTE] I’ve just come back from the gym, and Ophie hasn’t been more than a metre away from me ever since I got back in the house. I put fresh food down for her, but she’s still giving me That Look… ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2006, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121/20 "2006-10-27T19:01:17Z")
Here I thought nutcases like this were reserved for fundie Christian churches. I’m wondering though, if he likes a little tender loin? 😛 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-cleric-says-unveiled-women-tools-of-satan/378121.md?page=2)