# Muslim womans veil snatched **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 7, 2006, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596 "2006-10-07T08:57:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2006, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/21 "2006-10-07T14:46:00Z")
I hope there was a true gentleman there who retrieved said veil, returned it to the assaulted woman & gave the assailant a sound thrashing. Probably not tho. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2006, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/22 "2006-10-07T14:49:02Z")
[QUOTE=jjimm] And yet in the South Pacific and parts of Africa (and possibly South America, though not sure), societies where bare breasts were the norm were made to cover up by Christian missionaries, for religious moral reasons. Just sayin’. [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **WhyNot** > No, I don’t think this is true. **While covering your breasts may have been a relgious rule once** , I don’t think it is anymore. We expect and insist that athiest women, Christian women, Jewish women, and even African women who might have gone topless at home all cover themselves here. While we might privately think it’s stupid, I don’t for a second believe that a single one of us would be witness to a topless women walking down the street in front of our house and NOT be shocked or run to MPSIMS to tell the tale. The social censure is high, even among people without the religious dogma to uphold the taboo. Just agreein’! 😃 But \*\*Jakonovski \*\*specified “Western women”, and I think while my great-grandmothers may have worn shirts because they were good Christian women, I wear one entirely for secular reasons, not even being a Christian and all. ---
**Author:** ![chowder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2006, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/23 "2006-10-07T15:54:52Z")
[QUOTE=FriarTed] I hope there was a true gentleman there who retrieved said veil, returned it to the assaulted woman & gave the assailant a sound thrashing. Probably not tho. [/QUOTE] Not sure about this but I “Think” that once the veil is removed by any other than a Muslim it is considered unclean and can’t be worn again. As I said I’m not certain of this. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2006, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/24 "2006-10-07T16:04:47Z")
[QUOTE=WhyNot] Just agreein’! 😃 [/QUOTE] Oh, OK. As for “western women”, change that to “American”, since toplessness is tolerated to varying degrees throughout Europe. 😉 Thing is, in some (but not all) cases, the veil, or at least the hijab or jilbab, is indeed approaching cultural heritage. I admit that in many Muslim societies it’s difficult to separate the two, but I’ve heard many Arab and South Asian women in the media saying “it’s just how we dress” and not ascribing religious motivation. I personally think the veil, and tops on women, should be entirely optional. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/25 "2006-10-08T04:27:49Z")
[QUOTE=chowder] I mean they cannot all be so stunningly beautiful that men would swoon at the sight of them…can they? [/QUOTE] Um, maybe you aren’t familiar with many women from the eastern end of the Med. Just seeing their eyes is dangerous. Their full faces can snarl traffic. Add in visible flowing raven tresses and hearts will stop all over town. It’s a public safety issue and I thank them for their selfless sacrifices. But maybe just a little peek… 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/26 "2006-10-08T06:04:36Z")
[QUOTE=chowder] Not sure about this but I “Think” that once the veil is removed by any other than a Muslim it is considered unclean and can’t be worn again. As I said I’m not certain of this. [/QUOTE] Perhaps, but it still would have been the proper thing to do, even if it couldn’t be re-used. I’m more interested in the old thug getting a sound thrashing. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/27 "2006-10-08T07:54:20Z")
[QUOTE=chowder] Not sure about this but I “Think” that once the veil is removed by any other than a Muslim it is considered unclean and can’t be worn again. As I said I’m not certain of this. [/QUOTE] Sounds suspiciously like an urban legend. Consider for a moment the number of Christian workers hired as domestic helpers in some Muslim countries. It would strain belief to assume that the Christians did all the work except for laundering veils. ---
**Author:** ![FRDE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FRDE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FRDE)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/28 "2006-10-08T10:15:29Z")
[QUOTE=Monty] Sounds suspiciously like an urban legend. Consider for a moment the number of Christian workers hired as domestic helpers in some Muslim countries. It would strain belief to assume that the Christians did all the work except for laundering veils. [/QUOTE] I would not be so sure about it, in Malaysia I ran into ‘religious’ women who would not shake hands with an infidel (me). It was quite amusing, there was this large floor of programming nuns. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/29 "2006-10-08T16:33:40Z")
How is this any less of a crime than if a sexagenarian man had ripped the blouse of a woman? ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/30 "2006-10-08T16:41:11Z")
Her veil was snatched, you say? Well that’s a reverse of the usual. Why is this in GD? ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/31 "2006-10-08T16:42:11Z")
Hell, if she had been wearing a baseball cap and someone attacked her and ripped it off her, it would be plenty offensive enough, even leaving out the extra dimension of racial hatred it implied. Whatever you think about hijab, _this asshole assaulted a woman and ripped off a piece of her clothing._ ---
**Author:** ![chowder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/32 "2006-10-08T16:53:29Z")
[QUOTE=furt] Her veil was snatched, you say? Well that’s a reverse of the usual. Why is this in GD? [/QUOTE] I wondered how long it would take..:snigger: ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/33 "2006-10-08T19:15:52Z")
Well, there is certainly nothing like a debate, here, and stupid jokes are not helping matters. It does not even seem to be a poll and no one is really ranting. I guess it is headed for **MPSIMS**. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/34 "2006-10-08T19:56:33Z")
In Dearborn a few years ago ,there was debate whether they could wear veils for drivers licenses. It is a form of identification too. They claimed it as their religious right .I believe they have to remove them but I never heard the outcome. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/35 "2006-10-08T20:47:43Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] In Dearborn a few years ago ,there was debate whether they could wear veils for drivers licenses. It is a form of identification too. They claimed it as their religious right .I believe they have to remove them but I never heard the outcome. [/QUOTE] Allowing someone to wear a veil that obscured their face would defeat the entire purpose of putting a photo on the licenses. What does Saudi Arabia do with women’s passports? If the women are veiled on them then they’re worthless as proof of identity. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/36 "2006-10-08T20:59:57Z")
If memory serves, women are not pictured on their passports in Saudi Arabia. I think they are mentioned on their husbands’ or fathers’ passports, and you’re expected to take the men’s word for it. I’d have to look it up. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/37 "2006-10-08T21:04:09Z")
[Here’s](http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=60371&d=13&m=3&y=2005)a more or less relevant link about Saudi women’s ID cards and passports. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2006, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/38 "2006-10-08T22:51:37Z")
[QUOTE=FRDE] I would not be so sure about it, in Malaysia I ran into ‘religious’ women who would not shake hands with an infidel (me). It was quite amusing, there was this large floor of programming nuns. [/QUOTE] Are you male? I understand that a number of religious will not make physical contact with members of the opposite sex unless they are related to them. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/39 "2006-10-09T05:41:58Z")
[QUOTE=bluethree] [Here’s](http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=60371&d=13&m=3&y=2005)a more or less relevant link about Saudi women’s ID cards and passports. [/QUOTE] This reminds me of getting a dog license for my dog. He isn’t allowed to apply for one on his own, either. “Bad dog! You know you shouldn’t be walking upright. Here have a cookie. Good boy!”. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596/40 "2006-10-09T16:32:44Z")
Tell me about it. Knowing that we’re allied with the Saudis makes me feel dirty all over. Here’s the [U.S. Department of State](http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1012.html) web page concerning visiting Saudi Arabia. Here’s just a snippet: > [@](#): > > A married woman residing with her Saudi husband should be aware that she must have her husband’s permission to depart or have their children depart Saudi Arabia. This is true even if the woman or children are U.S. citizens. The U.S. Embassy can intercede with the Saudi government to request exit permission for an adult American woman (wife or daughter of a Saudi citizen), but may not be able to obtain permission for the departure of minor children without the father’s agreement (See Entry/Exit Requirements section above). Obtaining exit permission for an adult American woman can take many months. > > The Saudi government does not recognize dual nationality. Saudi authorities have confiscated the U.S. passports of U.S. citizens when they have applied for Saudi citizenship and the U.S. passports of dual (Saudi/U.S.) nationals when they have applied for a Saudi passport. This does not constitute loss of U.S. citizenship, but should be reported to the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh or the Consulates General in Jeddah or Dhahran. For additional information, please refer to the Bureau of Consular Affairs’ Dual Nationality flyer. I knew that women weren’t allowed to drive there, but I didn’t know they weren’t even allowed to ride bicycles. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/muslim-womans-veil-snatched/375596.md?page=3)