Well considering she confronted an intruder with an uncocked weapon in her story above makes me question the accuracy of this post.
You shouldn’t be armed in the first place if you aren’t smart enough to modify your methods as circumstances require.
How much you want to bet that it was a double-action handgun? Do you know how they work?
Intimately I shot IPSC stock class matches for several years, with glock19 and or Beretta92fs. Cocking right then is movie drama bullshit just like racking the slide on a shotgun. Was there a round chambered yet?
I said this because of her previous post saying, no waiting, just shoot, when she later posts that she did not even have her weapon cocked when confronting an intruder. So we either have hyperbole, flat out storytelling, or piss poor gun handling in a life and death situation.
…or you making assumptions based on information you don’t have.
I base my replies on the information presented. If she wants to elaborate, I await her reply.
It’s possible that she did attempt some sort of target identification.
It’s ambiguous as to how the cops were dressed, but it seems clear that they weren’t in police uniforms. There weren’t any sirens, or flashing lights, or anything to clearly indicate police.
So, maybe in the one second she felt she had, she saw some guys busting down her door, wearing maybe some leather jackets, or something, and thought “well, whatever it is, their intentions can’t be good”
It’s partly the fault of Rambo Squad wanting to wear their all-black ninja commando playtime outfits that it becomes hard to identify them.
Plus - what if someone does indeed sell drugs on her sidewalk, and she feels powerless to stop it? Then she has to be constantly in fear of some sort of drug/gang retaliation directed incorrectly at her, right?
So a bunch of armed guys in non-uniform street clothes come busting through the door, and it’s not quite so clear these people are the cops.
First off, what does it matter if this was actually the case? There’s nothing inherently harmful about it. You make it sound as if it was an indictment in itself.
Besides that, it’s clear that that wasn’t what was meant. I would consider myself armed in a general sense - I have a gun that I could have in use in about 5 seconds - but that doesn’t mean I’m waiting around waiting for my chance to kill someone.
What the fuck kind of crazy unjustified completely off the wall babbling is this?
Actually, no, it does not logically follow, although I’m sure Catsix is in the clear legally. But is that so hard to understand? In most reasonably governed states, non-criminal adults are free to be armed in their own homes as they wish. The idea of a “permit to carry on their person inside their house” is pretty silly, by the way.
Because if you have 2 magazines loaded, you’re fine, but if you have 3, you’re a walking time bomb looking for puppy-carrying toddlers to kill.
It’s been suggested before that some people who are anti-gun do so because they don’t feel, on some level, as if they could responsibly handle it. And so they project that everyone else is also too irresponsible to handle it. I wonder if that’s the case here. You certainly are moderately crazy and all kinds of knee-jerk, foaming at the mouth and creating exceedingly hyperbolic strawman at what was a pretty level-headed and reasonable post.
Uh, the ones who somehow manage not to come busting through the door in a rather hostile fashion?
Catsix didn’t say she was sitting in an attic window with a rifle just hoping someone would come onto her property so she could shoot, although that seems to be what you actually think.
Does this have any basis… whatsoever… remotely… related to what he/she said?
I often yell and break down the door in the middle of the night when going to my friends’ houses.
At this point I’m only quoting to demonstrate your utter hysteria - there’s not really much to respond to. It has nothing to do with the discussion at hand and is totally off in lala land.
Back at you.
The more I read this, the more it seems like you’re projecting your own insecurities and failings onto him/her. They didn’t say anything remotely like what you’re attacking, so where is this idea come from? I can only guess emotional projections based on your own shortcomings. Either that or you’re just nuts.
What Catsix posted, and from previous posts I’ve read from them, they seem level-headed and responsible and understand that owning and using guns is some serious shit. That’s good. You, on the other hand, come totally flying off the handle foaming at the mouth at the very idea that someone could have such a stance.
While it is used as an overly dramatic moments in movies, are you denying that it has effective use in a self defense situation?
I mean, you’re at the top of your stairs and hear someone rummaging around downstairs. Would you forego racking the slide on your shotgun to send a clear message, because “that’s movie drama bullshit”? Seems like it may be the best course of action - anyone who’s there with ill intent is going to know exactly what that means and get the hell out of there, and if it’s your friend/grandma/toddler/whatever, they’re certainly going to indicate it at that point.
Fascinating. You really do need me to go back, and cut and paste and quote her word for word? Surely with your post count, you are capable of remembering what was said? Perhaps not. She said she was always armed. The tone of the post of hers I replied to made it very clear that she’d be delighted to murder a police officer, that she doesn’t like cops.
-shrug- A gun nut. See em all the time. Used to live next door to one. And, just for the record, I’ve got 20/15 vision and did very nicely on the range when I was a kid. Had I the bent and the love of killing things, I’d probably be a fair shot as an adult.
Just because you can walk around with a loaded gun in your own home ( her words, not my fiction… ) waiting to defend home and hearth doesn’t mean you have to. It also doesn’t mean that a sizable portion of the population isn’t gonna be disgusted by that level of foaming violence, waiting to be unleashed.
As I said, get a life and stop aching for the chance to take one.
No, here’s your fiction:
I guess this is what happens to her words after you pass them through your batshit fucking crazy filter.
If you want to tie your reactions to what she said, feel free, because most of it is off the wall.
Half your post goes on to describe waterproof shower holsters and stuff that really doesn’t matter, but you present it as some proof of ill intent, so I guess you can loosely tie it to what she said. Doesn’t make it less crazy. And what’s with the “SigHeil” (Yes, I realize it’s sort of a pun) shit? That’s so over the line that I think you’re responding to a stereotype rather than a person.
I think that’s you inferring her motivations. Saying that one would be willing to kill a police officer in certain situations doesn’t indicate a desire to do so. In fact, I would feel no guilt over killing an officer in a situation like this if I had done nothing wrong, and they had assaulted me in such a way as to make themselves an ambiguous threat rather than a police officer. I certainly don’t want to do it, and I don’t hate police, but the way they conduct these sorts of things often puts them in a situation where a reasonable person might fear for their life from an unknown threat.
Yep, must be racist and wanting to kill cops - everyone who takes firearms ownership seriously is like that.
You want a cookie? Is this supposed to give you street cred or something?
What did she say that indicates she has a desire to take lives? I’m armed, I prepare to take lives if it should ever become necesary, but I certainly don’t want to, don’t relish the thought. It’s a serious responsibility and I do my best to be respectful of that.
No, cocking a handgun for scary sounds has no place in a self defense situation. If a long double action triggerpull is too difficult you should have cocked it ahead of time or looked into a lighter actioned gun.
You do not “scare” people with loaded guns.
I have little doubt that catsix would have justifiably blasted forementioned intruder if he had so much as twitched in any direction but reverse. I would not have been so generous. One of them is always stored ready to fire.
I have a very, *very *hard time believing that the cops didn’t identify themselves. On every raid my husband has ever participated in, they’ve gone in with everyone shouting, “Police! Search warrant!” Even if she was hard-of-hearing, it’s almost impossible not to hear six guys shouting “Police!” at the top of their lungs.
It sounds like Catsix did just that, and it worked, without anyone having to be hurt.
Why not? I train to use deadly force if necesary, but if the situation arises where I can deter a crime or threat without actually causing harm, how is that not superior? Just because of “bah, that’s movie stuff…”?
So for her to have shot the guy who had no intent to confront would’ve been superior to the situation, as it happened, where no one got hurt?
I did find the denoument of this a bit shocking. Elderly people getting shot in no-knock entries has been heard of. Three cops getting shot first, that’s kind of new … I had the misfortune to participate in a shootout with some of Detroit PD’s finest a few years back, and I’m pretty sure none of my gang got one of them. For damn sure I didn’t. And the only reason my brains are on the right side of my skull right now is that we were all using paintball guns. (Whew!) S.O.B. got me right between the eyes from God-knows-how-far, I never saw him.
I’m starting to imagine something like:
“Police! Freeze! You’re under … oh, it’s just some old lady. Hey, guys, chill, it’s just … GAH!”
As has been linked to earlier in this thread, bad guys can yell “police!” too.
I honestly don’t understand why they don’t work the timing with sirens and flashing lights, as I suggested earlier. That removes the ambiguity. It seems like they run these things in such a way as to make themselves as threatning as they can to people who would otherwise not want to confront the police.
They should really work to make themselves more unambiguously identifiable as police - shouting “POLICE!” is not that unambiguous sign.
Um, wait, just because you can defend your home, doesn’t meant you have to???
What’s the alternative, not defending your home?
No - because if you’re prepared to defend your home, that must mean you sit inside the window, just waiting for some cute toddler to take a step on your lawn so that you can blow them away. Us gun nuts are all the same.
What caliber do you guys recommend for toddlers, anyway? I used to think 9mm would do, but after considering the thickness of some of those diapers, I think a 7.62 would offer better penetration.
OMG! I used “penetration” and “toddler” in the same post. Maybe now Cartooniverse will post a couple of pages on how gun nuts are all child molesters.