My 90 year old neighbor is shot down by the po-pos

Schrapnel? Was that one shot a 105mm cannon?

This is all too common, by the way - I recall that there was a raid a few years ago in which one cop got spooked, shot another cop, and then they then killed someone holed up in his house. Later, they tried to blame it all on him, even though it was their fault. Sorry for being vague, I can’t remember the exact details of the case.

(Was it that guy in California where they basically intentionally burned his house down because he pretended by be a federal marshall? Or maybe it was just something near that, time-wise.)

It seems one of the officers involved has a history of fabricating charges.

Nope, there’s no blue wall and cops always tell the truth.

Cops like all humans generally do things that are in their own best interest. What do you gain by lying on a search warrant affidavit? A bad search? A case thrown out of court? The wrong house? Departmental charges? Criminal charges? Why would someone do that? I’m sure there are probably some cases out of the millions of search warrants done across the country over the years but it is certainly not the norm.

In general it is not in an officer’s best interest to lie. Not much to gain and their job to lose or worse.

The blue wall is paper thin. Most may be hesitant to rat out their fellow officers but I don’t know any that will throw their own career away, put their families well being at risk, because of someones elses fuckup. I have seen cops arrested for domestic violence, DWI and other things no one stepped in and tried to cover it up. Why risk your career because someone else is a fuckup? I’m sure it’s happened but it is very rare.

It seems that there was an unproven allegation and the city rolled over on the civil lawsuit. You know how often this stuff happens? A big city will often settle because they are afraid to get an unsympathetic jury. Was he ever charged criminally? Did he ever face departmental charges? Was he found guilty? Is he even accused of fabricating anything about this case? If there was more to the article I couldn’t get thru using the link you gave for some reason.

Do you really believe that if a cop goes to court and swears that the defendant sold a quantity of drugs to him that the case would get thrown out ? Remember that town in Texas where the cops did exactly that and it was only years later that proof? that was on a wholesale basis. What chance would a defendant have to prove that the cop was lying (unless he could prove that he was elsewhere at the time maybe, and had the means to be able to do so)

Sorry about that. Here’s more:

Gulley was cleared of all charges except driving with an expired tag.

A law review article analyzes police testilying.

UPDATE: I see you-all are doing a fine job keeping this story alive.

THE VICTIM: The only major fact of this case to change in the last few days is the age of the victim: some unidentified public records indicate she was 88, and the local new is now giving this as her age, while the victim’s family and friends, including an 87-year old neighbor, all still maintain Kathryn Johnston was, in fact, 92. The allegation that she only fired once at police is in some dispute. FWIW, this allegation doesn’t quite square with my own recollections: I was admittedly half asleep, but I swear I heard a short burst of five or six shots, engulfed and then immediately followed by a long hail of gunfire. Forensics evidence may still be forthcoming. A placard by the New Black Panther Party (rather outrageously) claims the victim was shot at 130 times. In contrast, Amadou Diallo was shot at by NYPD 41 times.

THE VICTIM’S FAMILY: Have maintained public silence since the incident, even during the funeral: there will likely follow a civil lawsuit. It is widely reported that the family was going to “sue somebody.” Both Fulton County and nearby Dekalb county are engaged in lawsuits alleging other instances of police brutality.

THE COPS: There are currently a total of seven narcotics officers and a sergaent on paid suspension while the facts leading to, during and in the aftermath of the shooting are looked into, which is standard for police investigations. The case NOW involves the APD, Georgia Bureau of Investigation and the FBI.

Most of the initial information coming to light isn’t very flattering for the police involved. I also note no serious attempt is being made to involve the public in finding the identity of the 6 foot, 230 pound drug dealer “Sam” who allegedly sold the two bags of crack cocaine that prompted this raid in the first place, a sale that supposedly was made to a known police informant who has worked with the department for four years. The sale was allegely made using $50 in public funds.

THE INFORMANT: The 24-year old informant – who has a fairly lengthy history of petty drug arrests for street-level trafficking – contacted a TV station and insists he was not at the house, did not ever buy drugs there, and was asked to lie by the officers in the shooting to cover their asses. FWIW, this account tends to support the physical evidence of the crime scene in which no narcotic drugs, computer equipment, surveillance cameras or large quantities of cash were found. So far, nothing has been said about finding contrary witnesses or any DNA evidence belonging to the informant at the crime scene. A TV report alleges that the police shooters used a private radio signal at the scene that, unlike police radios, didn’t record what was said. (WAG: If a signal can be traced to a cell phone call to a cell phone transmitter to the informant’s cell phone, that would corroborate the informant’s claim.) Right now the informant is in protective custody – most probably with the GBI or FBI. He may be able to give credible information on a number of other cases.

THE COMMUNITY: Police are keeping a higher than usual visibility in the neighborhood; car patrols have increased; the police are more responsive to citisen calls; the homeless are being shooed away from the area; there’s been a round-the-clock police presence at the site of the shooting and a steady crowd of well-wishers and activists visiting the home.

Local activists include the Rev. Markal Hutchins and the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense. There’s been a anti-police brutallity rally, a march, a mass meeting and the funeral. More rallies are being planned fror next week.

And this is why I don’t trust the cops and try to avoid them whenever possible. Because if you piss one off, or even accidentally get run into by one of them crossing into your lane in traffic, they have the ability to throw a bunch of charges at you.

Even if all the charges are eventually dropped, you end up with an arrest record, you’re fingerprinted, you have to post bail, you have to get a lawyer, you lose time from work, you spend a bunch of money and your name shows up in the paper or potentially on the TV news.

They have the ability to really fuck with the life of a basically good and law-abiding person in major ways with almost no repercussions (like merely sitting on ‘paid suspension’ while their department figures it out) and then when you try to do something about it it’s not as if the cop who lied feels the burn, the taxpayers shell out for an out-of-court settlement. And you still have that arrest record to bite you in the ass.

I think that’s Kosher shrapnel.

Askia, thank you for the update. In your opinion, are the extra police patrols a good thing or a bad thing? Do you think their purpose is to patrol for crime (which apparently was an issue before this ill conceived raid) or are they intimidation? or is it a bit of both?

Well, no “narcotic” drugs, but illegal drugs were found:
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/10472977/detail.html
“The inventory list we obtained lists three individually packaged bags of marijuana, not the cocaine mentioned in the search warrant.”

There is also this bust:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2006/12/07/1207metsearch.html?imw=Y
"Johnston, the elderly lady killed in a shootout when Atlanta police raided her home, according to a police report.

He told police there was a kilogram of cocaine in the home.

Simpson Street, about five blocks from Johnston’s home, after allegedly observing him selling marijuana.

According to the report written by police investigator Arthur Tesler, Sheats, a known drug suspect, “wanted to take us to a house that had a kilo of cocaine. Sheats directed us to 933 Neal Street NW where a buy of crack cocaine was later made and a search warrant drawn up for that location.”

“Sheets did state he was in that house (933 Neal St.) at about 3 p.m. on November 21st and saw the kilo broken up in a shoe box,” the report continued."

Although true, a 24 yo Informant called White does claim he was the informant, and makes other claims as you state, the fact of his being the informant is unclear from what I can see.

The information gathered by the police from the arrest of Sheats would be enough for the warrent, it looks like.
I am not making any judgements, just making sure the updates are fresh.

Oh, whew. Well I’m glad that’s solved. There was some weed in the place. That’s easily worth someone dying.

No, and IMHO, even 10 tonnes of heroin wasn’t worth anyone dying. But, as long as the Voters insist on Drug Laws, the Police have to enforce the Drugs laws. The information they were given would indicate a dangerous raid. The raid was dangerous, but not in the way they expected. I am sure if the Police knew there was a 80+yo women in the house with nothing but a little weed, they wouldn’t have bothered. But they didn’t know that.

The extra police patrols aren’t particularly coercive or intimidating to me, but then, I have a long-standing habit of abiding by the law. Some of the the more visible signs of open-market drug dealing have largely disappeared round the block these past few weeks, and many homeless men who used to loiter around aren’t as visible as they used to be. )But then, it could just as easily be contributed to the colder, wetter, windier weather.) Judging by my nose at night, weed smoking around the block hasn’t slowed up much.

DrDeth, thanks for the updates. One of the few statements made by Johnston’s family since her death is that they steadfastly assert the drugs were not hers. Several church members have sworn up and down their elder Johnston did not use prescription drugs, let alone narcotics, and they find the idea laughable. The scuttlebutt in the community while riding the buses and talking to folks on the corner store is that “if there were drugs found, the goddamn cops planted the evidence.” The search warrants mentioned cocaine, but a TV news report I saw the other night (sorry! Don’t remember which one!) stated that in the immediate aftermath of the shooting several reports by the police officers on the scene have conflicting accounts on exactly which drugs were seized.

I find any account of the actions of the police that night that that can’t even keep account of who the original informant is is highly suspicious and doesn’t engender much confidence in the police’s competence or honesty. We get informant A stepping forward and saying, “They asked me to lie” then we get the police themselves saying several days later, “This guy was the informant, not the other guy” – I mean, why the delay?

HOLY —!!! The Fit’s about the hit the Shan!

UPDATE: 404 Not Found | 11alive.com

  1. Cops are shifting stories; some are now backing away from statements made about an alleged 6’2" inch 300 pound drug dealer named “Sam,” corroborating statements made by informant Alex White last December that "crooked cops’ asked him to lie about the shooting.
  2. Drugs that were found? Apparently planted by cops on the scene.
  3. Some of the suspended officers may be facing murder charges.
  4. While feds were investigating, initial charges will be locally leveled by the county D.A.'s office. Also, federal civil rights charges may come later.
  5. The judge who apparently rubber-stamped the order may be investigated, too.

Whoa.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/10714490/detail.html

“ATLANTA – 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston was shot and killed after she fired on undercover officers as they staged a drug raid on her Neal Street home. Channel 2 has learned one officer now tells the FBI information on the warrant used to justify the raid was not true. (Italics in the article.)”

I have to say, the cops accused in this story – Gregg E. Junnier, Gary A. Smith, Jason R. Smith, Cary A. Bond and Arthur B. Tesler (there might be two others) – are enjoying a remarkable degree of anonymity. There’s more damning negative facts on them than the accused in the Duke University lacrosse rape case, but I don’t think I’ve EVER seen their faces linked to their names in the news.

This should be getting news, and it isn’t. Glad to see the Feds are slowly but surely getting to the truth… I hope justice is eventually done.