# My Amazing Encounters with Jesus Christ **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 2, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774 "2016-03-02T22:47:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/21 "2016-03-03T00:24:47Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Mormons baptize their ancestors, whether those ancestors wanted to be baptized or not. I guess if they died and went to hell, they immediately get yanked out of hell and sent to Heaven because they were subsequently baptized. An offering of atonement needs to be made to Christ. This offering needs to be accepted by Him first. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/22 "2016-03-03T00:31:11Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Christianity is the correct religion. The salvation of the dead comes from the Son of God. The Catholic Church offers indulgences(good works left by the saints) for the atonement of the dead. This is an offering to Jesus for the forgiveness of their sins. The Eucharistic Sacrifice is paramount. If the offering is accepted, Jesus restores their souls and delivers them into heaven. Jesus proscribed lending money at interest. The mechanism by which inflation (usually) works is that the Federal Bank loans money at certain interest rates, going into deficit to do so. Banks, who receive that money, then similarly go into deficit in order to loan out money at a higher interest rate. The deficits are equalized by the expectation that most loans will be paid back and with the interest rate covering the loss due to defaults (and expenditures of the banks). So basically, nearly all money which exists in the US was created through a process dependent on interest. Usage of money, in modern day, is promulgating and supporting a sinful system. Taking out a loan so that you can go to school, buy a house, etc. is an even greater sin as you’re clearly supporting something that Jesus explicitly (there is no uncertainty in the wording) banned. This isn’t necessarily related to what you wrote. But good luck abiding by Jesus’ words in modern day life. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/23 "2016-03-03T00:32:54Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > An offering of atonement needs to be made to Christ. This offering needs to be accepted by Him first. Whether the souls involved want it or not? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/24 "2016-03-03T00:39:50Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Christianity is the correct religion. The salvation of the dead comes from the Son of God. The Catholic Church offers indulgences(good works left by the saints) for the atonement of the dead. This is an offering to Jesus for the forgiveness of their sins. The Eucharistic Sacrifice is paramount. If the offering is accepted, Jesus restores their souls and delivers them into heaven. I was going to let this thread slide out of my memory, but this part is the one I simply cannot accept. What merciful God would condemn hundred of millions of people to Hell simply for having being born at the wrong place/time without a chance to getting to know Him/about Him? Your theology seems to grant them a chance if someone prays for them, but still: how many would be condemned to Hell for not having someone to pray for them? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/25 "2016-03-03T00:40:33Z")
Carpenters aren’t inherently muscular, not like steelworkers or masons. Wood just ain’t that heavy, hell it floats in water. A small nitpick here, it was Joseph who was the carpenter, Jesus is referred to in The Bible as “the carpenter’s son”. Also, “He taught them in their synagogue” which I was told means He was a rabbi. (Matthew 13:54-55). Alternately He is also called “the carpenter” in Mark 6:2-3, which does seem contradictory. However … Looking off-Canon, we find a delightful tale of just how good a carpenter Joseph really was in I Infancy chapter 16: > [@](#): > > And Joseph, wheresoever he went in the city, took the Lord Jesus with him, where he was sent for to work to make gates, or milk-pails, or sieves, or boxes; the Lord Jesus was with him wheresoever he went. 2 And as often as Joseph had anything in his work, to make longer or shorter, or wider, or narrower, the Lord Jesus would stretch his hand towards it. 3 And presently it became as Joseph would have it. 4 So that he had no need to finish anything with his own hands, for he was not very skillful at his carpenter’s trade > > 5 On a certain time the King of Jerusalem sent for him and said, I would have thee make me a throne of the same dimensions with that place in which I commonly sit. 6 Joseph obeyed, and forthwith began the work, and continued two years in the king’s palace before he finished it. 7 And when he came to fix it in its place, he found it wanted two spans on each side of the appointed measure. 8 Which, when the king saw, he was very angry with Joseph; 9 And Joseph afraid of the king’s anger, went to bed without his supper, taking not any thing to eat. 10 Then the Lord Jesus asked him, What he was afraid of? 11 Joseph replied, Because I have lost my labour in the work which I have been about these two years. 12 Jesus said to him, Fear not, neither be cast down; 13 Do thou lay hold on one side of the throne and I will the other, and we will bring it to its just dimensions. 14 And when Joseph had done as the Lord Jesus said, and each of them had with strength drawn his side, the throne obeyed, and was brought to the proper dimensions of the place: 15 Which miracle when they who stood by saw, they were astonished, and praised God. 16 The throne was made of the same wood, which was in being in Solomon’s time, namely, wood adorned with various shapes and figures. In today’s world, Joseph would be known as a cabinet-maker rather than a carpenter, although 4 spans short speaks to amateurism, but that’s just my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/26 "2016-03-03T00:40:59Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > When I was a nine year old boy and loving the Lord, I saw Jesus in all white, dressed as a Shepherd on the wing of an airplane while it was still boarding. I erroneously thought that someone was trying to play a trick on me to make me become highly religious. Then I became agnostic and got lost for 35 years. I began hearing, seeing, wrestling with the unseen and witnessing powers of the invisible spirit world. Evil Spirits had come into my life as a consequence of my sin. > > I’ve lost touch with reality(was deceived) and nearly died at the hands of these devils Wait, so sometimes when you see and hear things, they’re not to be trusted and can cause you to be deceived and lose touch with reality? > [@](#): > > Later, I had a dream were Jesus had removed the anger and hatred from these poor soul’s hearts. He was informing me that the work for atonement had been done. Then, with His power going through me, He turned them back _because_ the work could not be accepted until the door to my hearing and seeing them was closed. I am currently working on this. > > Also, an angel had made himself known to me. I’ve had many visions and dreams. Some arranged by God and the powers of the higher angels. Guiding me away from sin, in truth, toward salvation. Today, I thank God for my sufferings and wisdom gained. I am looking forward to being with God in heaven. And seeing these spirits restored and seeing my mom again. I’ve had many dreams; were they, too, sent by God? Or, as you say, by the powers of the higher angels? Or by evil spirits? Or were they brought on by an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of underdone potato? How am I to tell? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/27 "2016-03-03T00:41:04Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > The salvation of souls is the will of God. Then they shall be saved whether you atone for them or not. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/28 "2016-03-03T00:42:35Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Throughout this thread, I will be bearing witness and giving testimony to the spirit world and sacred scripture. Also, I will be revealing photographs of the Holy Spirit and a video of some His works. > > **True Story** wow, what a [mystique](http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?;num=1447955792)you have about you… you’ve posted this in many places - even been a [smurf](http://www.paranormalsoup.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=42413)before too…(some of his ‘photos’ are available at this link)… ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/29 "2016-03-03T00:56:49Z")
The gospel work of salvation is spread to all men of all times in all places. Catechism of the Catholic Church, pg. 165. Article 5 ‘He descended into hell on the third day He rose again’ Today a great silence reigns on earth, a great silence and a great stillness. A great silence because the King is asleep. The earth trembled and is still because God has fallen asleep in the flesh and He has raised up all who have slept ever since the world began…He has gone to search for Adam, our first father, as a lost sheep. Greatly desiring to visit those who live in darkness and in the shadow of death, he has gone to free from sorrow Adam in his bonds and Eve…“I am your God, whom for your sake has become your son, I order you O sleeper, to awake. I did not create you to be a prisoner in hell. Rise from the dead, for I am the life of the dead.” Ancient Homily for Holy Saturday: PG 43, 440A, 452C: _LH_, Holy Saturday, OR. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/30 "2016-03-03T01:01:43Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Whether the souls involved want it or not? The souls in my life want it. I have seen tears roll down their eyes when they discovered they were in hell. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/31 "2016-03-03T01:11:19Z")
> [@simster](#): > > wow, what a [mystique](http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?;num=1447955792)you have about you… you’ve posted this in many places - even been a [smurf](http://www.paranormalsoup.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=42413)before too…(some of his ‘photos’ are available at this link)… It was this work that I had offered up to Jesus for the atonement of the dead. Jesus has already approved this work. Would you rather see 75-80 souls remain in hell? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/32 "2016-03-03T01:16:34Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > It was this work that I had offered up to Jesus for the atonement of the dead. Jesus has already approved this work. Would you rather see 75-80 souls remain in hell? Got a cite from Jesus himself, that can be independently validated, that he ‘approved’ this work? (and it needs to specifically approve the works in question, can’t be a random quote from the ‘bible’ that are generically applied). Got any evidence for this ‘hell’ that you speak of? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/33 "2016-03-03T01:18:22Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Guiding me away from sin, in truth, toward salvation. Today, I thank God for my sufferings and wisdom gained. I am looking forward to being with God in heaven. And seeing these spirits restored and seeing my mom again. Thank you for sharing your experiences with us. I do not doubt that they are indeed your experiences. They do not persuade me to believe in your God or your theology, and I believe that your experiences are more accurately explained by other factors than divine action. That’s entirely irrelevant, however, to the important point, which is this: _How do your experiences, and your faith, impact your actions? Apart from spending time witnessing, how else do you choose to represent the spirit of Christ in the world? How does your faith make you a better person in the world?_ ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/34 "2016-03-03T01:32:23Z")
I think the OP is credible, proselytizing is hardly cherry-picking The Bible. Some would say all Christians are commanded to do so. He thinks he’s on a mission to atone for the dead, and I’m in no position to say otherwise. We each have our Gifts and I can’t say I understand my own. It is within the collection of our Gifts that we are better together. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/35 "2016-03-03T01:34:18Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Got a cite from Jesus himself, that can be independently validated, that he ‘approved’ this work? (and it needs to specifically approve the works in question, can’t be a random quote from the ‘bible’ that are generically applied). > > Got any evidence for this ‘hell’ that you speak of? Primarily, hell is the state or condition of being without God in the afterlife. The spirit is evil. Here is a video of a person who has evil spirits in his life. You can see an evil spirit who is in hell flying. [Paranormal Exposure, Hard Evidence](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-k9PHX4MR4) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/36 "2016-03-03T01:42:05Z")
Jesus is an albino. Who knew? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/37 "2016-03-03T01:51:55Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > {…} Here is a video of a person who has evil spirits in his life. You can see an evil spirit who is in hell flying. > > [Paranormal Exposure, Hard Evidence](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-k9PHX4MR4) The most evil of all the evil spirits is named Pareidolia. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![HeXen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@HeXen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeXen)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/38 "2016-03-03T01:53:17Z")
True Story…must be true right? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/39 "2016-03-03T02:00:22Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Primarily, hell is the state or condition of being without God in the afterlife. The spirit is evil. Here is a video of a person who has evil spirits in his life. You can see an evil spirit who is in hell flying. > > [Paranormal Exposure, Hard Evidence](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-k9PHX4MR4) Got any evidence for ‘God’ or the ‘afterlife’ ? what are ‘evil spirits’ ? ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/40 "2016-03-03T02:06:18Z")
> [@HeXen](#): > > True Story…must be true right? I would put my hand on the bible and swear by it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774.md?page=3)