# My Amazing Encounters with Jesus Christ **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 2, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774 "2016-03-02T22:47:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/401 "2016-03-10T19:22:21Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Faith without works is dead. So is a person dead without faith. All/any faith, or just the one shared in common with your own? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/402 "2016-03-10T19:24:18Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Faith without works is dead. So is a person dead without faith. So, there is no Hell? Nice to know. The problem here is that you want us to have faith in _you_ and _your_ word and _your_ supposed experiences, and you keep piling on the stories to push things in your favor. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/403 "2016-03-10T19:25:33Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I gotta parse this. > > _He would not have said that I would make atonement for them if they were not going to be saved_ > > equals > \* > He would have said that I would make atonement for them if they were going to be saved.\* > > So that means you rescued 75-80 souls from Hell by interceding on their behalf? You did say you were a business consultant. Did you sell indulgences? When the atonement for them is accepted, Jesus saves them from hell. I never said that I was a business consultant. The offering of atonement is an unselfish act. Works are given freely. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/404 "2016-03-10T19:27:52Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > All/any faith Dilute! Dilute! OK! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/405 "2016-03-10T19:31:07Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > When the atonement for them is accepted, Jesus saves them from hell. I never said that I was a business consultant. The offering of atonement is an unselfish act. Works are given freely. Have you considered writing a new book to add to The New Testament? You seem to possess a crapload of information that just isn’t mentioned in The Book as it now stands. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/406 "2016-03-10T19:45:12Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Wait, you said before they were chariots. You also said before there were both good and evil spirits. How do you know that blob is good, much less the Spirit of Truth? Do they have certain blob charactereistics to indicate which side they’re on? You need to examine the photographs more carefully to see the differences. The Holy Spirit is a transforming spirit. Spiritual orbs without faces that have an eye are the Spirit of truth. Spiritual orbs with faces are spirits in chariots of God. These chariots are the living works of the Holy Spirit. Both good and evil spirits can be found in these chariots. [Here is what looks like a demon in a chariot(orb).](http://i.imgur.com/Eq05uEc.jpg) Angels from heaven would travel in these chariots as well. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/407 "2016-03-10T19:47:36Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > He has already taught you through Sacred Scripture. I like the way he talks to you better. Since you let the cat out of that bag, I don’t see why anyone would settle for words in a book. Jesus should appear to everyone, or no one. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/408 "2016-03-10T19:49:19Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m more struck by the idea that the difference between eternal salvation, and an eternity in the lake of fire, was left up to the discretion of a mortal. That seems a gross abdication of responsibility on the part of Jesus. Salvation is a family business and we all can play a part in it if we choose. This is how the Lord has made it. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/409 "2016-03-10T19:55:19Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > He has already taught you through Sacred Scripture. WHich scripture is sacred? what makes it sacred? Is even the blatently incorrect scripture sacred? what about the parts that require human sacrifice? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/410 "2016-03-10T19:56:50Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > When the atonement for them is accepted, Jesus saves them from hell. I never said that I was a business consultant. The offering of atonement is an unselfish act. Works are given freely. Then why did you have to make atonement? If its given freely, why does anything, at all, need to be done? If anyone has to do anything to get the gift - it is no longer free - no matter how small the ‘cost’. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/411 "2016-03-10T19:59:36Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > [Here is what looks like a demon in a chariot(orb).](http://i.imgur.com/Eq05uEc.jpg) > > Angels from heaven would travel in these chariots as well. That picture is copyrighted to [mastersconnection.com](http://mastersconnection.com). Where can I find it on that site, and what is it _originally_ identified as? ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/412 "2016-03-10T20:01:17Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > No it isn’t. It is a known and reproducible optical effect that happens when you take out-of-focus pictures of point light sources with a poor quality lens. (Actually, it’s really difficult to avoid even in high quality lenses, but cheap ones do it worse). > > It is discussed in depth [here](http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2014/05/02/the-end-of-onion-ring-bokeh-panasonic-beats-the-curse-of-aspheric-lenses) and [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_aberration). > > I’m sorry if it seems like I am trying to tear down your faith - I am not; I am just trying to point out that you are ascribing a supernatural explanation to something that already has a very well-understood natural reason. I’d be doing the same if you were claiming that the trees wave around because of magic, when in fact, it’s just the wind. You obviously have never seen a spiritual orb with your own eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/413 "2016-03-10T20:04:00Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > You need to examine the photographs more carefully to see the differences. The Holy Spirit is a transforming spirit. Spiritual orbs without faces that have an eye are the Spirit of truth. Spiritual orbs with faces are spirits in chariots of God. These chariots are the living works of the Holy Spirit. Both good and evil spirits can be found in these chariots. > > [Here is what looks like a demon in a chariot(orb).](http://i.imgur.com/Eq05uEc.jpg) > > Angels from heaven would travel in these chariots as well. > **[Pareidolia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia)** > > Pareidolia (/ˌpærɪˈdoʊliə, ˌpɛər-/; .mw-parser-output .IPA-label-small{font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .references .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .infobox .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .navbox .IPA-label-small{font-size:100%}also US: /ˌpɛəraɪ-/) is the tendency for perception to impose a meaningful interpretation on a nebulous stimulus, usually visual, so that one detects an object, pattern, or meaning where there is none. Pareidolia is a type of apophenia. > Common examples include per... ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/414 "2016-03-10T20:06:05Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > All/any faith, or just the one shared in common with your own? The Catholic faith is the truest of them all. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/415 "2016-03-10T20:08:14Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > The Catholic faith is the truest of them all. Original, or your Extra Crispy Version? ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/416 "2016-03-10T20:10:47Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Have you considered writing a new book to add to The New Testament? You seem to possess a crapload of information that just isn’t mentioned in The Book as it now stands. The majority of information that I have passed on in this thread can be found in the Catholic Bible and/or is taught as part of the Catholic faith. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/417 "2016-03-10T20:14:19Z")
> [@simster](#): > > WHich scripture is sacred? what makes it sacred? Is even the blatently incorrect scripture sacred? what about the parts that require human sacrifice? Humans have never been sacrificed to God. This is a practice carried out by satanists. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/418 "2016-03-10T20:15:24Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > The Catholic faith is the truest of them all. Can you provide a cite for that, or is this another one of those 1% secrets? ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/419 "2016-03-10T20:20:29Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Then why did you have to make atonement? If its given freely, why does anything, at all, need to be done? > > If anyone has to do anything to get the gift - it is no longer free - no matter how small the ‘cost’. These spirits are in hell and did not accept God’s grace in Christ in their lifetimes. They need atonement made. 2 Maccabees 12:46. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/420 "2016-03-10T20:26:33Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Can you provide a cite for that, or is this another one of those 1% secrets? Jesus started the Catholic Church through Saint Peter. Mathew 16:18. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774.md?page=22)