# My Amazing Encounters with Jesus Christ **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 2, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774 "2016-03-02T22:47:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/501 "2016-03-11T00:15:57Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > For one, the Son of God is not human. And it was for a noble cause that our king should die for us. I thought we were all ‘sons of god’ ? (Psalm 82:6). He had to be human - “The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.” (John 1:14) - Or his sacrifice would mean nothing, and it seems pretty improbably that the lowly romans would have been able to crucify a ‘god’ of any sort. So, lesson learned is Human Sacrifice is ok, as long as its for a ‘noble cause’. Or God is a Satanist - by YOUR definition. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAlecCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SmartAlecCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAlecCat)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/502 "2016-03-11T00:18:27Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > God is not the asshole. He sacrificed His very own Son for the forgiveness of our sins. So in return for millions of people being tortured for infinity, he gave up a week-end? I don’t see the balance for one thing. For the other thing, what kind of ‘sacrifice’ is giving up a week-end in return for being worshiped infinitely as lord of heaven? Yeah, some ‘sacrifice’… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/503 "2016-03-11T00:18:54Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Does god inspire them to create the [Piss Christ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ) as well? Don’t be silly. There’s no bubbles. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/504 "2016-03-11T00:25:16Z")
[sigh] … the only message I’ve got from God is “buddy-boy, never jump for handholds only whilst free-climbing”. I’m alive today to share this message to all. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/505 "2016-03-11T00:34:06Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > [sigh] … the only message I’ve got from God is “buddy-boy, never jump for handholds only whilst free-climbing”. I’m alive today to share this message to all. The main message I got from ‘god’ (and his sacred scriptures) was a) don’t follow charlatens that claim special knowledge (Luke 21) b) its good to demand evidence when dealing with (a), and if they can’t provide it, tell them to shove off. (See Thomas, Doubting) ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/506 "2016-03-11T00:41:27Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > For one, the Son of God is not human. And it was for a noble cause that our king should die for us. So, does Jesus have DNA? Human or not? ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/507 "2016-03-11T00:42:56Z")
It is said that this apparition miraculously appeared on fabric December 12, 1531. Notice the oblong orbital figure surrounding Mother Mary and the angel. [Our Lady of Guadalupe](http://i.imgur.com/dMG4EnG.jpg) The things of God are living. **“NASA has called the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe living”** “NASA has publicized the results of the related examination of Our Lady of Guadalupe. It was established, with instruments of the eye-specialist, that in the picture, the eyes of Mary’s retina’s, when exposed to light - similar to the human eye - expand and contract. The researchers have also concluded that the temperature of the clothe, where the image can be observed, is permanently 36.6 degrees, such as a healthy human body temperature. This image has also been studied with a stethoscope. The scientists have measured a pulse of 115 beats/min at Mary’s belt which corresponds to the number of a fetal heart rate.” “NASA has also stated that the paint in which the image was made does not exist on earth and has never existed - written by Tsn.au which is a news site on the internet.” source: [Matrix Drops](http://www.matrixdrops.com/en/news/nasa-has-called-the-image-of-the-virgin-of-guadalupe-living) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/508 "2016-03-11T00:46:07Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > It is said that this apparition miraculously appeared on fabric December 12, 1531. Notice the oblong orbital figure surrounding Mother Mary and the angel. > > [Our Lady of Guadalupe](http://i.imgur.com/dMG4EnG.jpg) > > The things of God are living. > > **“NASA has called the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe living”** > > “NASA has publicized the results of the related examination of Our Lady of Guadalupe. It was established, with instruments of the eye-specialist, that in the picture, the eyes of Mary’s retina’s, when exposed to light - similar to the human eye - expand and contract. The researchers have also concluded that the temperature of the clothe, where the image can be observed, is permanently 36.6 degrees, such as a healthy human body temperature. This image has also been studied with a stethoscope. The scientists have measured a pulse of 115 beats/min at Mary’s belt which corresponds to the number of a fetal heart rate.” > > “NASA has also stated that the paint in which the image was made does not exist on earth and has never existed - written by Tsn.au which is a news site on the internet.” > > source: [Matrix Drops](http://www.matrixdrops.com/en/news/nasa-has-called-the-image-of-the-virgin-of-guadalupe-living) You wouldn’t happen to have a cite from NASA on that, now would you? Othewise, I’m calling this the ultimate bit of BULLSHIT. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/509 "2016-03-11T00:48:14Z")
ninja’ed ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/510 "2016-03-11T00:52:36Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > It is said that this apparition miraculously appeared on fabric December 12, 1531. Notice the oblong orbital figure surrounding Mother Mary and the angel. > > [Our Lady of Guadalupe](http://i.imgur.com/dMG4EnG.jpg) > > The things of God are living. > > **“NASA has called the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe living”** > > “NASA has publicized the results of the related examination of Our Lady of Guadalupe. It was established, with instruments of the eye-specialist, that in the picture, the eyes of Mary’s retina’s, when exposed to light - similar to the human eye - expand and contract. The researchers have also concluded that the temperature of the clothe, where the image can be observed, is permanently 36.6 degrees, such as a healthy human body temperature. This image has also been studied with a stethoscope. The scientists have measured a pulse of 115 beats/min at Mary’s belt which corresponds to the number of a fetal heart rate.” > > “NASA has also stated that the paint in which the image was made does not exist on earth and has never existed - written by Tsn.au which is a news site on the internet.” > > source: [Matrix Drops](http://www.matrixdrops.com/en/news/nasa-has-called-the-image-of-the-virgin-of-guadalupe-living) You should link directly to the statement from NASA. Need to type faster. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/511 "2016-03-11T00:53:02Z")
> [@Oglomott](#): > > If he (God) doesn’t keep you healthy and happy, if he doesn’t feed you or pay your bills, or keep bad things from happening to you, then what good is he? How would you be worse off without him? Does he just want my obedience under the threat of death or hell? No thanks. It is the human condition that we are evil and wicked without God in the afterlife. The soul needs to be salvaged by the powers of God. The spirits of the dead are miserable and without family and friends. They have anger and hatred in their hearts. They thirst for all that only a most loving Creator can give them. Those in heaven are good spirits. They have love in their hearts. They are happy with family and friends. They have all a most loving Creator gives them. This is what Jesus had died for. So that we may be delivered from the evil condition of hell. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/512 "2016-03-11T00:55:46Z")
A quick search at the NASA website turned up zero hits … why would rocket scientists be measuring heartbeat and how would they know about paints? Is NASA just a collective term for people smarter than average? “NASA’s full of idiots” – CERN engineer ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/513 "2016-03-11T00:59:53Z")
> [@SmartAlecCat](#): > > So in return for millions of people being tortured for infinity, he gave up a week-end? > > I don’t see the balance for one thing. > > For the other thing, what kind of ‘sacrifice’ is giving up a week-end in return for being worshiped infinitely as lord of heaven? > > Yeah, some ‘sacrifice’… 😛 “He was temporarily inconvenienced for your sins!” doesn’t quite have the right ring to it. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/514 "2016-03-11T01:01:46Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > It is the human condition that we are evil and wicked without God in the afterlife. The soul needs to be salvaged by the powers of God. The spirits of the dead are miserable and without family and friends. They have anger and hatred in their hearts. They thirst for all that only a most loving Creator can give them. > > Those in heaven are good spirits. They have love in their hearts. They are happy with family and friends. They have all a most loving Creator gives them. This is what Jesus had died for. So that we may be delivered from the evil condition of hell. who created us again? who made up all these rules ? ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/515 "2016-03-11T01:18:17Z")
> [@simster](#): > > who created us again? who made up all these rules ? If you want witnesses to hell, all you have to do is look at all the people over the internet bearing witness to evil spirits. Evil spirits are all in hell. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/516 "2016-03-11T01:21:59Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > If you want witnesses to hell, all you have to do is look at all the people over the internet bearing witness to evil spirits. Evil spirits are all in hell. I guess I could get behind the idea that hell is /b/chan. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/517 "2016-03-11T01:24:31Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > source: [Matrix Drops](http://www.matrixdrops.com/en/news/nasa-has-called-the-image-of-the-virgin-of-guadalupe-living) Who is Matrix Drops? Oh yeah, [they’re kooks](http://www.matrixdrops.com/en/news/the-matrix-drops-invention-was-developed-to-harmonize-the-modern-quantum-physical-human-model): > [@](#): > > The essence and purpose of my invention is to harmonize the energy fields of natural elements, minerals, plants, animals and humans. The procedure is the result of my research work aimed at the components of the above-listed living beings. > > … > > I program the clear water and other fluids through stones and crystals. The information of the elements and their well-harmonized and measured Matrix Drops are able to correct the elemental energy and space disorders in the living organisms and to tune or retune them. The instrumental measurements made on living beings and, among others, on humans, proved the efficiency of the input Matrix Drops. Such fine vibrations and information are perfectly suitable to improve vitality, to rejuvenate the biological age, to refresh the brain’s operation, to strengthen the parasympathetic nervous system, to maintain an even pulse, to improve the energy level and increase the harmony and activity of the right and left cerebral hemispheres. In summary, they serve to significantly improve the joint fractional health indicators. > > The controlled information Matrix Drops, based on the principle of quantum physics, affects the forms of behavior by harmonizing the elemental levels of the energies, emotions, thoughts, connections, soul and spirit. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/518 "2016-03-11T01:24:32Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > If you want witnesses to hell, all you have to do is look at all the people over the internet bearing witness to evil spirits. Evil spirits are all in hell. You didn’t answer the question. I asked you Who created us? Who made these rules about our souls needing salvaging? I’m now asking you this as well - Who created ‘hell’ and all of this ‘suffering;’ ??? Who created the need for the human sacrifice to ‘save us’ ??? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/519 "2016-03-11T01:29:58Z")
> [@simster](#): > > You didn’t answer the question. > > I asked you > > Who created us? Who made these rules about our souls needing salvaging? > I’m now asking you this as well - > > Who created ‘hell’ and all of this ‘suffering;’ ??? > > Who created the need for the human sacrifice to ‘save us’ ??? We know who. The question is why? Why does an omnipotent being need a bunch of carbon-based lifeforms to worship him and then spend eternity in “Heaven” worshiping him more? ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/520 "2016-03-11T01:30:10Z")
> [@SmartAlecCat](#): > > So in return for millions of people being tortured for infinity, he gave up a week-end? > > I don’t see the balance for one thing. > > For the other thing, what kind of ‘sacrifice’ is giving up a week-end in return for being worshiped infinitely as lord of heaven? > > Yeah, some ‘sacrifice’… 😛 Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Along with the Father, He created mankind. His life is worth the life of all mankind from the beginning to end. I would not undervalue His sacrifice. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774.md?page=27)