# My Amazing Encounters with Jesus Christ **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 2, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774 "2016-03-02T22:47:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/521 "2016-03-11T01:39:13Z")
> [@simster](#): > > You didn’t answer the question. > > I asked you > > Who created us? Who made these rules about our souls needing salvaging? > I’m now asking you this as well - > > Who created ‘hell’ and all of this ‘suffering;’ ??? > > Who created the need for the human sacrifice to ‘save us’ ??? God is a righteous God and must punish sin. If you do not believe in His Son, Jesus Christ, you will be in hell. Look at this video again of a spirit in hell. It is very real. I suggest that you watch this video closely and reconsider your beliefs about God and His Son. [Paranormal Exposure, Hard Evidence, JUST REAL, JUST IS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-k9PHX4MR4) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/522 "2016-03-11T01:42:44Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > God is a righteous God and must punish sin. If you do not believe in His Son, Jesus Christ, you will be in hell. Look at this video again of a spirit in hell. It is very real. I suggest that you watch this video closely and reconsider your beliefs about God and His Son. > > [Paranormal Exposure, Hard Evidence, JUST REAL, JUST IS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-k9PHX4MR4) He created sin. He should punish himself. ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/523 "2016-03-11T01:44:52Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > We know who. The question is why? > > Why does an omnipotent being need a bunch of carbon-based lifeforms to worship him and then spend eternity in “Heaven” worshiping him more? We were created by and for the Son of God. To go against this is to go against all we were created for. You will find yourself without Him and in ruins in the afterlife. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/524 "2016-03-11T01:47:03Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > **We were created by and for the Son of God.** To go against this is to go against all we were created for. You will find yourself without Him and in ruins in the afterlife. What does that make us? Toys? Pets? ---
**Author:** ![ScottRP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@ScottRP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScottRP)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/525 "2016-03-11T01:51:41Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > What does that make us? Toys? Pets? That makes us His people. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/526 "2016-03-11T01:53:12Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > God is a righteous God and must punish sin. If you do not believe in His Son, Jesus Christ, you will be in hell. Look at this video again of a spirit in hell. It is very real. I suggest that you watch this video closely and reconsider your beliefs about God and His Son. > > [Paranormal Exposure, Hard Evidence, JUST REAL, JUST IS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-k9PHX4MR4) You keep avoiding the question. IF we are ‘sinners’ then it is because GOD created us thusly. And then he keeps getting pissed off that we ‘sin’. (so much so that he destroyed the world once and will do it again, ‘soon’) If there is a hell for us to be punished in - then GOD created it, and if GOD created it, he must intend for people to be punished there. (Nothing GoD does is without purpose, right?). If there is suffering - eternal or otherwise - it is because GOD created it, in order tp prove how GOOD he is and how GOOD he can be to us when he relieves the suffering that HE created. So, GOD, created us as sinners, punishes us for what he created us todo, then sacrifices his son to give us a way out — but only if we ‘atone’ for sins we were created to do. Seems your god is a bit of a sadist, and a jackass. You should reconsider if this is the kind of god that you want to worship, cause, damn - I wouldn’t trust him not to change the rules again. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/527 "2016-03-11T01:58:01Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > I have seen Jesus and heard the voice of God and I am here to bear witness to and give testimony of Them. Okay, fine. Why did God have to do the big drama act with the self-sacrifice, when he could simply have freed mankind from sin with a thought and a wish? Was he compelled to sacrifice himself? Then he isn’t all-powerful. Couldn’t he manage it in a less messy way? Not all-powerful. (Also, why does Jesus never tell anyone anything useful when he speaks to them personally? Platitudes, but no hard facts. Jesus never tells us where missing children can be found, for instance, or how to cure cancer.) ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/528 "2016-03-11T02:04:03Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > God is a righteous God and must punish sin. . . . “Must?” So there are things he is compelled to do? He doesn’t have free will? Puny god. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/529 "2016-03-11T02:09:07Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > “Must?” So there are things he is compelled to do? He doesn’t have free will? > > Puny god. He’s a slave to Himself. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/530 "2016-03-11T02:39:55Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > It is said that this apparition miraculously appeared on fabric December 12, 1531. Notice the oblong orbital figure surrounding Mother Mary and the angel. > > [Our Lady of Guadalupe](http://i.imgur.com/dMG4EnG.jpg) > > The things of God are living. > > **“NASA has called the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe living”** > > “NASA has publicized the results of the related examination of Our Lady of Guadalupe. It was established, with instruments of the eye-specialist, that in the picture, the eyes of Mary’s retina’s, when exposed to light - similar to the human eye - expand and contract. The researchers have also concluded that the temperature of the clothe, where the image can be observed, is permanently 36.6 degrees, such as a healthy human body temperature. This image has also been studied with a stethoscope. The scientists have measured a pulse of 115 beats/min at Mary’s belt which corresponds to the number of a fetal heart rate.” > > “NASA has also stated that the paint in which the image was made does not exist on earth and has never existed - written by Tsn.au which is a news site on the internet.” > > source: [Matrix Drops](http://www.matrixdrops.com/en/news/nasa-has-called-the-image-of-the-virgin-of-guadalupe-living) Did it even occur to you to question why _NASA_ would be examining this piece of art?? What the fuck sense would it make for NASA to be doing something like that? Do you ever question _anybody_ that tells you what you want to hear? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/531 "2016-03-11T02:46:47Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Did it even occur to you to question why _NASA_ would be examining this piece of art?? What the fuck sense would it make for NASA to be doing something like that? Do you ever question _anybody_ that tells you what you want to hear? Well … it was NASA who done did discover it up thare on Mars it seems … does anyone else have the equipment up thare rat now? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/532 "2016-03-11T02:49:41Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He’s a slave to Himself. So, in effect, God can create a weight so heavy that he can’t lift it. It seems staggeringly unwise to do that. It’s like accidentally locking the keys in the car. (“No sooner had [Oedipus] put out both his eyes, he kind of wished he hadn’t.”) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/533 "2016-03-11T02:50:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Did it even occur to you to question why _NASA_ would be examining this piece of art?? What the fuck sense would it make for NASA to be doing something like that? Do you ever question _anybody_ that tells you what you want to hear? > [@watchwolf49](#): > > Well … it was NASA who done did discover it up thare on Mars it seems … does anyone else have the equipment up thare rat now? God works in mysterious ways. Really fucking weird mysterious ways. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/534 "2016-03-11T03:45:03Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > “NASA has also stated that the paint in which the image was made does not exist on earth and has never existed - written by Tsn.au which is a news site on the internet.” > source: [Matrix Drops](http://www.matrixdrops.com/en/news/nasa-has-called-the-image-of-the-virgin-of-guadalupe-living) So the image is laid down with non-existent paint? Does it mean the image itself does not exist? Or is it just linguistic trickery: the image is done in ink? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/535 "2016-03-11T03:48:49Z")
There is no such website as tsn.au. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/536 "2016-03-11T03:53:25Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > There is no such website as tsn.au. It’s not on The Wayback Machine, either. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/537 "2016-03-11T04:16:51Z")
It is tsn.ua – a Укранский site that is kind of hard to read. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/538 "2016-03-11T04:23:56Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > (Also, why does Jesus never tell anyone anything useful when he speaks to them personally? Platitudes, but no hard facts. Jesus never tells us where missing children can be found, for instance, or how to cure cancer.) Yeah, why can’t Jesus appear to me and tell me what stocks to buy? So, then I could fund cancer research! ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/539 "2016-03-11T05:22:14Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Yeah, why can’t Jesus appear to me and tell me what stocks to buy? So, then I could fund cancer research! Verily I say to you - Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, these are the stocks thou must buy, but only on the first day, and thou must then sell them before the bell sounds on the second day, for the great fall will come on the third. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774/540 "2016-03-11T09:52:14Z")
> [@ScottRP](#): > > Humans have never been sacrificed to God. This is a practice carried out by satanists. That’d be news to Jephtha (Judges 11:30-40). I mean, it was only a daughter and not a son so obviously not anything of value in Biblical times but still, you did say “never”. > [@eschereal](#): > > So the image is laid down with non-existent paint? Does it mean the image itself does not exist? Or is it just linguistic trickery: the image is done in ink? It’s the Emperor’s New Paint - only the worthy can see it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/my-amazing-encounters-with-jesus-christ/747774.md?page=28)